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Joe - the facts were not misrepresented, you simply misunderstood them. The "Old Sarum Rite" is not the rite of Archbishop John. The "Old Sarum Rite" was the work of Fr. Aidan Keller at St. Hilarion's Monastery, and differed from that of Archbishop John. There was, in fact, some disagreement between Keller's approach and Abp. John's approach. As such, the former version should be restored as it referred to the SHP version - which is as described. The differences between Milan Synod's Sarum (Anglo-Roman) rite and the formerly St. Hilarion's "Old Sarum Rite" are many. Fr. Cuthbert could explain some. However, our ROCOR Sarum rite is not the exact same as that of Archbishop John (LoBue)'s and was never intended to be. The Russian Western Rite depends on precise canonical acts, and is not dependent on Milan Synod's Western Rite - and was never expected to be. Now - Keller's "Old Sarum Rite" afaik, is not in use anywhere in Milan Synod anymore. The section could be updated to reflect that. But, I believe that Abp. John had not described his rite as Sarum rite until recently - a revision perhaps? [[Aristibule|Aristibule]]
No, the facts were not properly represented. Fr Aidan did not create a "Sarum rite" by pastiche, but simply used some local practices within the English tradition. It's just that simple. Where he may have included local practices *within the same ritual family* from different areas, they were still local practices, most of which he points out have differences. You are correct that the Sarum ritual translated by Father Aidan differs from the New York/New Jersey Archdiocese and the ROCOR's in a few (very few) places. However, the truth is that the base text of all these liturgies is the same. Fr Aidan took a number of liberties in translation to English, and is neither the first nor the last to do so.
I find it hard to believe that Abp John "revised" the liturgy to call it "Sarum", considering the abbey took almost two decades to translate the full body of services. In any case, we should not confuse the two Russian Western rites. There is a ROCOR Western Rite, which is actually a Roman usage, and a ROCOR Sarum rite. I've just frankly grown sick of the anti-Father Aidan "agenda", because the base texts of his work, and that of Holy Name Abbey, and even that of ROCOR, just don't look that different. At least not compared to the liturgy of St Tikhon, which is being claimed here to be "Sarum", which is a flat-out untruth (unless you really want to stretch it....) --[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 21:56, July 18, 2008 (UTC)
