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==Deletion 3-Nov==I'm not sure why the whole article was deleted - the article as part *Archive 1 of the Orthodoxy in Australia series was okayDiscussion: [[Talk:St. The attempt at character assassination on a monastic wasn't. I'm a little suspicious based upon the statement 'baptized and chrismated by ROCOR due to "previous ordination"' - suggesting a lack of familiarity with reception into the Orthodox Church_Petroc_Monastery_(Cascades, or the standard practices of ROCOR. In any case, the article should stick to the facts of the monastery _Tasmania)/Archive 1|2- and the ecclesiastical life of its members. Information from ROCOR AUS4/NZ would be best. And, of course, the article should be under the title Saint Petroc Monastery - its official title (no 'of' and Saint unabbreviated.) - AristibuleNov]]

: I reverted the blanking==Protecting of 4/Nov==This article has been protected because of a long sequence of edits. Feel free A few days to edit cool the keyboards, I think, are in order. All edits on this article should in future, imho, be done with official information (ie Monastery or Diocesan) to be more correct and charitableavoid this kind of editing based on unverifiable personal experience or hearsay or whatnot. {{-- [[User:ASDamick/sig}} Pistevo|Pistevo]] 20:0121, 2 3 November 2005 (CST)

::I corrected minor items, removed think we'll freeze the bio article here for now until an official one is received from awhile. By my judgment, it contains some good information about the Archdiocese: monastery, without getting into anything contentious. I believe that is the source for 've reverted "various parts of the episcopal biographies on Orthodoxwiki? In any case, the bio was irrelevant military" back to the article and included details that don't pertain to the life "seamen" in light of a monasticthis clarification from Fr. The numbers of those at the monastery has changed over time Michael: "seamen" refers to all mariners - novices have come and gone. Imostly merchant seamen (Webster'll flesh out the article later from official sources, and also provide s defines a seaman as a companion article for sister monastery person skilled in the USseamanship .....)" [[User:FrJohn|Fr. - AristibuleJohn]] 22:49, 4 November 2005 (CST)

: Most of I've just protected the bios article again. Please discuss any future revisions on OrthodoxWiki are from official sources, news sources, and historical referencesthis talk page before they happen. That is, they're verifiable and documented, ''especially'' when including potentially controversial informationThanks. {{— [[User:ASDamickFrJohn|<b>FrJohn</sig}} 20b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 19:04, October 9, 2 November 2005 2006 (CSTCDT)

::Thanks, Fr. Deacon - I do think some of the items are only controversial for those who misunderstand Orthodoxy's claims, monasticism, how the canons are used, etc. However, a bias is apparent if an emphasis is made on articles about how 'small' a particular monastery is, without reference to the same in articles on other monasteries. That is Michael of particular importance when the monastery is new, Saint Petroc Monastery has been suspended and still in the planting stagesretired by Metropolitan Hilarion. - Aristibule See below

:Two thingsFebruary 23, for information - firstly, the Biography of the Abbot was originally its own page before Fr John asked Lazar to move it to the Monastery page; secondly, 'Monastery of name (place)' was simply the standard I was following: that's the reason that it was listed as 'Monastery of St Petroc'2013No. 2-28- [[User:Pistevo|oea]] 21:16, 2 November 2005 (CST)13

Please leave them as Saint Petroc Monastery - that is In view of his vioations of the official name (I am canons by disrespect of the official webmaster for person of the monastery) it follows Patriarch and other members of the traditional Western form. The abbreviation Hierarchy, lengthy absences from his parish in Hobart, Tasmania, causing spiritual neglect of Saint should not occur in the title either - faithful of his church community, and the monastery is not 'of' but named Saint Petroc. The information from constant inflammatory and unedifying negative comments which he publicly broadcasts within the bio is incorrectreligious media, and is bringing disrepute to the product Orthodox witness of a certain Australian personality the Western Rite movement, Hieromonk Michael (nonMansbridge-Wood), cleric of the Australia and New Zealand Diocese of the Russian Orthodox) Church Outside of whom I have been aware for a few years. That bio Russia, is *not* hereby suspended and relieved of all his priestly duties and obligations concerning the Western Rite in the official bioUnited Kingdom and elsewhere, which Abpand is retired from active service in the Church. HILARION hasGiven the above, any and all blessings for his websites are hereby withdrawn. Thanks - Aristibule

:Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was just saying ''why'' the name was the way it was; the correct way is (obviously) better. As you can probably tell simply by looking at what I personally have done on that article, I know very, very little about the Monastery, and would be very happy about the article increasing. -- [[User:Pistevo|oea]] 21:34, 2 November 2005 (CSTsigned)+Hilarion

Recent Major Changes: Metropolitan Hilarion,Actually the details added to the history Archbishop of Sydney, Australia and New Zealand,First Hierarch of the bio by me are correct. I was concerned to place into proper perspective 2 things that were ambiguous or unclear in the earlier drafts, and some associated webpagesRussian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia.

1. The statement that ":As this article is about St Petroc's Monastery (rather than its superior), I have added this information briefly in terms of how it affects the monastery was founded in 1992. Currently," but not clarifying that it only became part of ROCOR in 1997. 2. The statement in earlier versions there is no article about Fr Michael (and also in associated webpages, at least for a few months, this is probably a good thing) that . &mdash; by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] ^{''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="Hieromonk Michael comes to Australia from England in 1992red" which infers that he is of English origin. In fact he was born in Australia and spent most of his life there. >complaints</font>]]''} at 17:41, March 6, 2013 (HST)

This is what FYI a) the building where St Dyfan (40 Alexander St, Sandy Bay) was based was written; been sold by the wording being virtually a direct quote from an email from one University of his superiors at ROCORTasmania some time ago and so doesn't exist." Also Fr Michael Wood approached ROCOR has not been an accredited chaplain there for receptionsome considerable time. Subsequently he was received through baptism So stricly speaking Saint Petroc Monastery (an apartment chapel) in McRobies Road, South Hobart is now and chrismation into the Russian Orthodox Church on has been the basis only physical manifestation of a his "previous ordination", with instructions to establish "Western Rite" ministeries in Australia and New ZealandSPM."

Abpb) but to add complexity, there is another ROCOR priest Fr Barry Jefferies who has also conducted services at SPM at various times, and may continue to do so because he hasn't been suspended. Hilarion So I'm not sure that the comment "This means that the monastery's lone monk can no longer celebrate services." is well acquainted with the strictly correct details.

BTW :Regarding (a) - I added think this has been addressed by the bio details because article's most people would like to have some idea about the foundationrecent edit; and regarding (b), development Fr Barry is a married priest (and genesis therefore not a monk). And of their spiritual advisors. In course, Fr Barry can't be an attached to a greater SPM movement because this case there movement probably doesn't exist anymore (given that the ukase you cited has removed the head without replacement) - if Fr Michael was nothinga priest of the Diocese of ANZ (as per ukase), then ISTM that Fr Barry unquestionably is.:Of course, I see the complexity :-) - does all that seem to be a good place to leave the article for now? &mdash; by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] ^{''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''} at 19:22, March 6, 2013 (HST)

Aristibule Yes, I think it is if you say that "The information from 're happy. Perhaps they might even be the bio is incorrect"final words about SPM-though one can't be certain. What exactly is incorrect?

Yes, Archbishop Hilarion is well acquainted with the correct details : he ordained said Hieromonk Just trying to make sure that it's a balanced and truthful article. Final words: clearly much prayer is in possession of required here. Other suspension: Yes, I remember - perhaps that's one for a future article about the official bio - your information man (rather reflects than the version compiled by P. (surname withheldmonastery) a (possibly) Catholic laywoman who stalked Fr. Michael for a period in Tasmania, and was looking for &mdash; by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] ^{''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' 'dirt' on the Hieromonk as late as last August. The content betrays the intent [[User talk: an attempt Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''} at a smear job. Depending on your identity 20:01, March 6, 2013 (a secretHST) either you've been mislead by the wrong rumors, or are the source itself. - Aristibule

Regarding this "Just trying to make sure that it's a balanced and truthful article, all biographical details must be from known, public sources, e.g., " I think you've done an official bio, news sources, or reputable history books. OrthodoxWiki will not become a repository excellent job with difficult material!! Bfn-----Some suggestions for rumors. fine tuning if you think they are worthwhile:

At this point, I don't see any reason 1. Metropolitan’s decree is now on the ROCOR websiteSee http://www.rocor.org.au/?p=7603 2. UTAS sold their chaplaincy building in Dec 2011 so MMW’s involvement with UTAS would have ceased earlier that year. 3. The link to have SPM’s webpage is now a separate article dead link. 4. The locality for SPM is given as “Cascades”. This is not strictly correct because there is no such suburb, and “Cascades” does not appear on the abbot, and what details Australia Post list of his life do get included postcodes. “Cascades’ is used loosely by locals to describe the general area below Mt Wellington in this article should be pretty limitedHobart. {{User:ASDamick/sig}} 06:33 SPM is located in McRobies Road, 3 November 2005 (CST)“South Hobart” with postcode 7004