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=Introduction=
In a monastery, a '''[[refectory|trapeza]]''' (or ''refectory''), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in—ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here. For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the [[OrthodoxWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]].
[[Category:OrthodoxWiki]] [[bg:Project:Трапеза]] [[el:OrthodoxWiki:Τράπεζα]] [[fr:OrthodoxWiki:La Cafétéria]] [[mk:Православна-енциклопедија:Трпеза]] [[ro:OrthodoxWiki:Cafenea]]
=Archives=
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 1|Archive 1]], Feb 2005 – Dec 2005 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Anything_Goes&oldid=22917 Anything Goes] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 2|Archive 2]], Feb 2005 – Aug 2006 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Questions&oldid=37973 Questions] page)
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 6|Archive 6]], Nov 2008 – Mar 2011
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 7|Archive 7]], May 2011 – Jan 2015
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 8|Archive 8]], Feb 2015 – Jan 2020
<center>Please sign and date your comments by adding four tildes at the end: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>{| style="border: solid 1px #aaaaaa"|'''[http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza&actionTopics=edit§ion=new Add new post]'''|}</center> == a hello on a new page == So... My goal is to get to 4900 on unique articles before too long. I'd definitely eventually like to see the 4 flip to a 5... :) There's a lot of stuff out there that could be written about. Take care! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 20:28, May 11, 2016 (UTC) : Sounds great, [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]]! Please note this previous discussion on [[OrthodoxWiki:Administrators#Eliminating_directory_articles|Eliminating_directory_articles]] - there is certainly room for overviews and histories, but a major problem with making a directory of parishes is that things can get out of date very quickly. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])::Understood. :) As far as the Bulgarian diocese page, I figured If I'd just clean it up a bit since it's been sitting there with some VERY old information (priests' names, for example) for a couple of years. As it was a priest in the diocese referenced who posted the info in the first place, I didn't necessarily want to just clear out the whole thing. Hope that reasoning makes some sense. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:35, May 12, 2016 (UTC):::Certainly, thanks! And again, background / historical info is great. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) == A note work on something I noticed == Fr. John, the updates look great, thank you for the hard work! :) I've noticed a couple of little hiccups, but it looks like most of them have been smoothed out (the captcha acting silly, for one). This isn't a big thing at all, but under "Special Pages", the "active users list" doesn't work anymore. It always shows no active users, and a note that it's a cached page that might be up to 101 days old. (This number gets bigger all the time.) I think somewhere this stat must still be working, because I think on the statistics pageprayer book comparison, it does show the actual number of active users, but when you click on that, it brings you to the page that shows none. Hope you are well! :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 13:05, May 19, 2016 (UTC) : Hmm... there is this bug report: https://phabricator.wikimedia.orgwhat prayer /T89027. I also tried clearing caches, running the Special Pages update script... didn't work. Since this is reflected on [[Special:RecentChanges|RecentChanges]], I don't think it is critical, but attributes should I am glad you pointed it out. == author creditsinclude? ==
I was under the impression that articles 'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this wiki (other than protected pages that are reprinted by I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission) are not supposed to have post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'authorshipm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I' mentioned in the articled investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. A couple months ago, So I removed something 'm wondering if people like this from the article [[Holy Trinity Church idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(San Francisco, Californias)]]to include. My initial thought is the prayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a line, but now depending on the translation, like ''"authorBe merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds."'' or ''" has put the credit to himself as author back God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good inYour sight. He"'s also given himself credit on ' Thanks and thanks to the article admins for my new shiny account, -[[Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral User:Dclark|Dclark]] (San Francisco[[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:38, CaliforniaFebruary 17, 2020 (UTC)]]: Also, as this forum doesn't seem to be super-active, and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in getting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I've created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but at least he references back if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an article he wrote actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that was posted elsewhere on the internet. Not being it'll send you an email with a sysop or anythinglink you have to follow, I so be sure to check your spam/trash if you don't want to get into an edit war hereanything after a minute or two. -[[User:KatjuschaDclark|KatjuschaDclark]] ([[User talk:KatjuschaDclark|talk]]) 0217:0917, May 23February 17, 2016 2020 (UTC)
== For Discussion:The author trail is preserved in page history, and not typically in attribution on the page. I'm not too worried about this, but, especially, if someone else substantially revises/addes to the articles, I have no problem with them remove the author attribution either. By submitting content Could Early Modern English be added as a separate language to the wiki, they have agreed to license it according to [[OrthodoxWiki:Copyright|our copyright policy]].? ==
==StI'm trying to figure out the best way to include text in both [https://en. Ioann Listvinnikwikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Modern_English Early Modern English] and Contemporary English versions, and I've come to the conclusion that the cleanest way to do this may be to have Early Modern English as a separate language on the wiki, so all the MediaWiki functionality regarding translations could be utilized. I'm in no way wedded to this idea, and of course I need to convince the admins to do this. So, thoughts? -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:25, March 7, 2020 (UTC):How much content do you think would be in Early Modern English? This is a small wiki: why would we separate it out into even smaller bits? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 17:40, March 7, 2020 (UTC)Good Point; probably not worth it. My aim was just to preserve the information in the archaic English without having to look at it if you don't want to; but thinking about it I can just put a link to the public domain source material, and if anyone really wants the old english the onus can be on them to figure out how to do it nicely :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 18:29, March 10, 2020 (UTC):Oh, I think it's worth having here, too. Just make a page like Name/Old English or include it in the relevant source or something. We had a source document sister project for a bit but it was unsustainable. I don't think anyone would complain about you porting over public domain Old English sources that are relevant to Orthodoxy. Please do! -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 19:47, March 10, 2020 (UTC)Oh nifty, do you remember the URL of the sister project?==I'd love to just take a look around with archive.org to see what people were thinking would be cool back then :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 20:59, March 10, 2020 (UTC):Having a hard time finding it (just did 15 minutes poking around page histories and Internet Archive myself) but you can see the link on the Commons homepage: https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page the old "Osource:" prefix is long deleted. As I recall, it never hosted much and really, it could just be combined into the appropriate language edition with scans or recordings going to commons. If you are adventurous, you can probably find it yourself in the Trapeza archives somewhere. If you ''really'' need to find it, let me know. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:41, March 10, 2020 (UTC)Sweet, that was enough to find https://web.archive.org/web/20081225074135/http://www.orthodoxsource.org/Main_Page thanks! -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 00:11, March 11, 2020 (UTC):Nice. Thanks for editing, D. Hope to see you around some. I'm not very active here but I do pop in from time to time and I watch the Trapeza (obviously). Let me know if you need anything else. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 00:36, March 11, 2020 (UTC)
I've been reading a bit about historic churches in Alaska, and I saw mentioned that in Tigalda (Tigalda Island, perhaps), a church was consecrated in 1844, dedicated == Anyone on / want to St. Ioann Listvinnik. Anybody know if this is correct or that it might be in erroron a Discord server? Thanks. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:13, June 6, 2016 (UTC)==
QuestionNo one's been on the [[OrthodoxWiki: Chat|IRC]] channel any time I've been around, and I believe none of the other IRC channels re: Orthodoxy I've found have been active either. Although I love IRC from a political and technical POV, Discord seems to have supplanted it for most people. I'm currently on all 8 of the Orthodoxy-related Discord servers I've found, checking them out. '''''Does anyone else use Discord? If so, what server / username?''''' (I'm Dclark). Perhaps we could petition the admins on whatever server we all mutually use to make an #OrthodoxWiki channel on their Discord server for us. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:57, March 17, 2020 (UTC)
When it comes to posting biographical information, should we have some sort of policy shying away from posting too much information about living people, especially Americans, due to identity theft issues? For people born between 1970-2011, and in particular from about 1987-2011, when you have some combination of family name, birthplace, and exact date of birth, it becomes easier to guess social security numbers, especially if someone was born == Call for new editors in a state with a smaller population. I understand that much of this information is publicly available; I just would rather not have OrthodoxWiki be the "to-go" place for people looking to steal the identities time of well-known Orthodox personalities. My general policy has been to not post exact dates of birth for people in this age range, being as that seems to be the least relevant item for OrthodoxWiki, and probably the most sensitive for identity theft, but then I see someone here who keeps putting that information back up.pandemic? ==
*How would people feel about doing a call for new editors on various Orthodox fora? My thought is that the pandemic is giving some people a whole lot to do, but a lot of other people a lot of hurry up and waiting to do. I know that the minor edits I've been doing recently have helped me feel like there is more purpose to my days, and have been a welcome focus away from the news. On the other hand, I can see that, especially if worded poorly, such a call could seem callous and disrespectful. -[http[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 19:08, March 22, 2020 (UTC)://wwwI think that's valuable for society and for this wiki, in its own tiny way.washingtonpostFinding something useful to do is a good way to keep from going stir-crazy or feeling despondent.com/wp-dyn[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/contentKoavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070602955.html Washington Post article about guessing Social Security NumbersKoavf|M]]22:05, March 22, 2020 (UTC)*[https://wwwHi! As far as conversation and whatnot, things here have been pretty quiet for a LONG time.ssa I'd be on more, but Coronavirus or not, I've not got a whole lot of time.gov/employer/randomization If I'm here, I'm usually over at the [[Orthodox Blogs]] page. I've been on OrthodoxWiki since 2005; a lot of the people who contributed a lot in the early days did so in the days before full-time jobs and families and the like.html The ;) It's always been a struggle to get new system of assigning Social Security Numberspeople who stick around - I'm not a mod, but it's great to have more activity here! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]] Social Security Administration official site) 03:23, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
: Not sure about the SSNs, but I do think in general we should exercise some discretion in posting details about living people. Wikipedia practice can be a guide here. Obviously, things like biographies and general biographical sketches are fine, especially when == Could an admin add this information is not controversial CSS that gives icons to youtube and someone is a public figure already. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] reddit links ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.phplike facebook)?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 17:53, August 23, 2016 (UTC)
== August 6 <poem>'''Could an admin add this to the appropriate place? https://orthodoxwiki.org/User:Dclark/common.css'''It gives icons to youtube and November 8 ==reddit links, like the facebook icons you can see at [[Livestreams]].Also you might want to add the <code>padding-right: 0px</code> to facebook and any other pre-existing instances of icons, as there is a bug where a big space is inserted after the link which looks ugly, e.g. in "[http://facebook.com/ here]." there is no space in the wikitext between the link and the period, there is just an unfortunate 13px padding for some reason.Thanks! (Note: If you want to add icons to other links, the awesome font icons are all listed at https://astronautweb.co/snippet/font-awesome/)(Note 2: There is a bug in all of these icons, including the pre-existing facebook, where it puts an icon in the TOC if just the word is in the heading. Ideally the CSS for mine and the existing facebook icon should be edited so it doesn't do this, but this is beyond my CSS capabilities.)</poem>-[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:51, April 12, 2020 (UTC):Just thought I'd do a *gentle nudge* on this as I noticed the remote services page is now linked to from the front page. If no one wants to do this I'll do it, I believe someone just needs to give me access to https://orthodoxwiki.org/MediaWiki:Common.css --[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 13:09, April 26, 2022 (UTC)
They represent the mid-season days, standing half-way between the solstice and the equinox. The same holds true for Saint Valentine's Day, which however is not celebrated liturgically in the East.== just a note about a Canadian Orthodox History Wiki ==
* Summer Solstice: Birth of Saint John I stumbled across this the Baptist (June 24).* Midother day -Summerdefinitely not the same as OrthodoxWiki, but interesting nonetheless: Transfiguration of Christ (August 6).* Autumn Equinoxhttps: Conception of Saint John the Baptist (September 23)//orthodoxcanada.ca/Main_Page* Mid-Autumn[[User: Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] (November 8).* Winter Solstice[[User talk: Christmas (December 25Katjuscha|talk]]).* Mid-Winter03: Saint Valentine's Day (February 1402, November 20, West only).* Spring Equinox: Annunciation 2022 (March 25UTC).
There is no particular Mid-Spring Feast (roughly around May 10), mostly because of the fact that such symbolism would have been swallowed up by the [[Great Feast]]s tied == Aligning Templates to the [[Pascha]]l cycleRight/Left, such as [[Palm Sunday]], [[Easter]] [[Sunday]], [[Ascension]], and [[Pentecost]] (or Whit Sunday), depending on how early or how late they fall in the year. In the East, [[Candlemas]] seems to have swallowed up all the agricultural symbolism which would normally have been associated with a mid-February celebration (not that this does not happen allowing text to some extent in the West as well, see ''Groundhog Day'')wrap. ==
I think that this information might be useful and interestingHello, but I have no idea everyone! For those on the New Calendar -- Christ is born! For those of us who aren't, we'where'' to add it exactlyve still got a couple of weeks. — [[User:Luci83ro|Luci83ro]] ([[User talk:Luci83ro|talk]]) 02:51, September 23, 2016 (UTC)
==Two questions=='''Please advise''' Right now I like am trying to create/update the category navigation at the bottom lives of the page which shows the entire category tree. Can someone tell me how this was set up for this wiki? Also, Prophets and I would be interested in writing about [[Anabaptism]] and [[Quakerism]] and see how these [[Radical Christian]] branches would be viewed by the Orthodox and how these communities have interacted in the past. I understand the point of view created a template for a series on this site is Orthodox their lives and not the scope is mostly about Orthodoxy--would articles like this be welcome here? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 23:24Prophetical books themselves, October 2, 2016 (UTC)as that has already been created and done well.
:Hi Justin. I don't think there is any special plugin for am having a problem with text not being able to wrap around the categories - this is just normal MediaWiki functionality. About template no matter what tag I add to the Anabaptists and Quakerstemplate or articles themselves, I think an article about specific history leaving quite a gap between the body of relations, theological dialogues, etc. could be interesting. I don't think this is text and the place for an exhaustive treatment bottom of AnabaptistQuaker theology - hope that makes sense. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 01:23, October 3, 2016 (UTC)::'''Theological discussions''' It does and that's consistent with what I thought was the casepage. I know that some Anabaptists traded letters with Eastern Christians during the Radical Reformation when they were being persecuted unto death by Catholics this does not look good and Protestants. I'm not sure how many sources there are on this but I'd like am hoping to knowfix that. Furthermore, I'd be interested in seeing what some Orthodox perspectives would be on these groups. Thanks--I will try to get together the sources sometime to draft up an article. If anyone else has feedback, please let me know. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 01:39, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
Could anyone take a look at if there are any issues in my Template::: OTProphets to find where my error might be coming from? Or am I'd missing a tag that should be interested to learn more about these dialogues — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.phpadded during article editing?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])::::'''Dialogues''' This is very non-academic but it's where I first heard about these exchanges: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/3gmiay/how_do_catholic_and_orthodox_users_here_view_the/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1itf5x/to_nonprotestants_what_should_the_reformers_have/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1tx8r2/how_do_eastern_orthodox_view_protestants/ and then did primarily borrowed a suggested template from Wikipedia with some Internet searchesadditions. It would be nice if I could get something more substantial. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 05:27, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
:::One thing Please let me know if you're able to keep in mind for OrthodoxWiki is that we aim to be encyclopedia like, meaning the focus is on the ''who, what, where, and when'' rather than personal interpretation. Following Wikipedia, we have called this the "[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view "neutral point of view"], although we also have an [[OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual_(Point_of_View)|"Orthodox bias"]]help me out here.
== ru.orthodoxwiki closure ==In Christ,I decided to discuss the matter of the closure of the russian languge edition of the orthodoxwiki because of enduring lack of activity. Precisely, there is no activity at all. I have wrote to Main page talk about that, but recived no answers see [[:ru:Обсуждение:Заглавная страница]]. I want to note that for almost 12 years of existence of ru.orthodoxwiki.org I was the first who left a message at that talk page. The project is completely dead, and no reason to expect its revival. To make sure of this you can take a look at the list of [https://ru.orthodoxwiki.org/Служебная:Новые_страницы most recently created articles]. At the same time, Easern Orthodox subjects are successfully developing in the Russian Wikipedia and the Free Orthodox Encyclopaedia "Drevo" (http://drevo-info.ru). A few existing ru.orthodoxwiki articles can be transferred to "Drevo". ~ [[User:Чръный человекIoannplyler|Чръный человекIoannplyler]] ([[User talk:Чръный человекIoannplyler|talk]]) 1206:3528, January 14December 30, 2018 2022 (UTC): As a point of order, I would propose that we keep the content and have a banner that says that the site can be reactivated with simple instructions on how it can be started up again (iDone.e. ask an admin here at the Trapeza)Thanks for your work. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 1907:5704, January 14December 30, 2018 2022 (UTC):: There Thank you, Justin! That is no reason to protect ru.orthodoxwiki from editing beacause no one else wanted to edit it. ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 22:11, January 14, 2018 (UTC)::: Thanks for bringing this upso much nicer. I'm fine with deletion, as long as we can be assured that no significant contributions will be lost. There are 412 content pages listed at [[ru:Служебная:Статистика]]. I am fine with moving things back on tomorrow to [http://drevo-info.ru/ Drevo-info.ru] IF their license is compatible. (I did not find licensing information there.) Otherwise or additionally [https://ru.wikipedia.org ru.wikipedia.org]. You can see what we have done with Archived Localizations at [[OrthodoxWiki:Localization#Archived_Localizations]]. What do you recommend? — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 19:54, January 27, 2018 (UTC):::: About 10 years ago the articles from OrthodoxWiki were often translated into "Drevo" from english language. And then the rules become make some more stringent and it was not recommended to link additions to Wikipedia and Wikidedia-like projects. The Drevo use is's content for non-commercial purposes. In this way, the Drevo articles copied to Wikipedia violates minor prophets as I summarize the copyrightsSynaxarion readings. ~ [[User:Чръный человекIoannplyler|Чръный человекIoannplyler]] ([[User talk:Чръный человекIoannplyler|talk]]) 1107:2616, January 29December 30, 2018 2022 (UTC)
