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== Holy Trinity Metafor == Hello,  Reading about the material universe, noticed that there are 3 infinities (or mysteries) that define our world: 1. --- The immensity of space-time, the boundless universe than nobody can say for sure how big it is, where it ends. Sure there are some theories that are accepted by most scientists, but also big anomalies if you apply the theory, that need to be corrected with inventions such as "dark matter" or "string theory" to fill in for obvious gaps. 2. --- The "small infinity" or mystery of the subatomic universe. We split the atoms in so many sub-particles, and the latest belief is that in fact all the matter is a concentration of energy. But where does matter end and pure energy begins? I may be overcomplicating here, but it's just so poetic to notice how the science laws of the big universe and the small universe are in disagreement with each-other when it comes to apply the macrocosmos laws to microcosmos or the other way around, as if God intended things to be mysterious and impenetrable for the human mind.  3. --- The infinite complexity of life and intelligence. The connections in our brain are said to be more than all the stars in the universe. But how can this complexity come to be in only 4 billon years since our Earth is said to exist. This level of organisation of matter, first level: life, second level: intelligent life are both just unconceivable by science.  I want to ask you: could these 3 "infinities" be a reflection of the Holy Trinity in the material world? Or what is the theological view about those mysteries? Thank youMihai  == New category ==I was thinking of adding a category to be called '''"Propitiatory Offerings"''' where all of the things that are offered to God can be grouped together, inluding: [[Artoklasia]], [[Kollyva]], [[Proskomedia]], [[Molieben]], [[Incense]], [[Myrrh]], [[Votive Offerings]], and things of this nature. Propitiatory Offerings in the Old Testament consisted mainly of sacrifices; in the Orthodox Dictionary Church we have this new array of elements. Any ideas or comments? Is it accurate to describe it this way? Thanks and cheers. [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 20:34, May 18, 2011 (UTC) : Propitiation is a problematic concept for Orthodoxy and one I wouldn't be willing to endorse (e.g., I would never say, "We offer up incense as a propitiation to God"). That said, though, I've never heard of these things really being grouped together in traditional Orthodox writings. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 14:05, May 19, 2011 (UTC) :: Thanks for the clarification Father, cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 14:09, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

English - Russian - Greek - Romanian - Finnish - Swedish== Calendar Days ==-> http://wwwGreetings. I had a look over at Wikipedia at their Orthodox "Calendar day" pages, and I liked how the pages were set up; instead of a block paragraph, with all the daily Saints blocked together as we have them here, they list them in a neatly ordered list (with bullets).ortodoksiThis list could even be arranged chronologically for that particular day (i.net/dict/searche.php[[User:HAP|HAP]] 00:47, January 5with the oldest-in-time Saints listed first, 2007 (PSTthe most recent saint for that day listed last).

==Barnstar=='''Asserted:''' We need to have Here is an OrthodoxWiki example from Wikipedia for [[w:Wikipedia:BarnstarsJune 4 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)|barnstarJUNE 4th]]. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond ProI would like to go into all of our Calendar Day pages for the entire year (all 365 days), Garamondand make the change form paragraph to list form, Georgia, Times New Roman">Dcnfor ease of reading and better visual (and chronological) access. Andrew<Would this be okay /font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk<sound good /font>]]} <small>any objections? (I don't mind doing the work). Cheers, [[SpecialUser:Contributions/ASDamickAngellight 888|<font color="black">contribs</font>Angellight 888]]</small> 2011:0652, August 16June 4, 2006 2011 (CDT):Go for it! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]UTC)

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==Interwiki==owiki OrthodoxWiki Hello, I would like to request someone to put in [[MediaWikiNew article:Recentchangestext]] the relevant interwiki '''<nowiki>[[bg:Специални:Recentchanges]]</nowiki>''' to the bulgarian recent changes special page. Thanks.:P.S. And... I would like to make a proposal: [[:metawikipedia:DPLforum|this extension]] acts like a forum inside the wiki and is better for discussions. [[User:Gregg|Gregg]] 17:38Order benicar 20mg, August 2610mg, 2006 (CDT):I've added the interwiki link and installed the forum extension. Haven't tested it out, but let's try it and see how it works. There's a sample forum [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Index here]40mg cheap - cheap generic benicar 10mg - order benicar 10mg india bit. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn<ly/b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])pSig8Z::More help about the forum can be found [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Forums here]. --[[User:Gregg|Gregg]] 00:59, August 31, 2006 (CDT)[[Category:OrthodoxWiki]][[bg:Project:Трапеза]]22 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Anyone interested in porting over some of the language templates (the boxes that indicate user proficiency) from Wikipedia? It might be helpful in identifying people reowiki OrthodoxWiki New article: the various localizationsOrder erythromycin 500mg, 250mg cheap - erythromycin for toothaches - erythromycin allergy bit. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.orgly/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])mOYoUs22 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

:I have started to do just thatFYI. Here is my personal [[User:Hellenica/Babel|"Babel project"]] with some of the work I've been attempting. I suppose recent changes and my user contributions would also provide a similar look. I hope the progress is satisfactory. [[User:Hellenica|Hellenica]] 21:46, November 30, 2006 (PST)

::I'm definitely liking these wikipedia imports, Hellenica. The language boxes are extremely useful (Spanish, anyone?), and the personal user ones are just fun.[[User:GabrielaJonathansCornerCom|GabrielaJonathansCornerCom]] 2012:4911, December 1August 17, 2006 2011 (PSTUTC)

: It's been fixed. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face= Cathedral of St"Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Petersburg, Russia Andrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 18:20, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

*This may not be true today, but in == List of Enlighterners/Illuminators/Equals-to-the late Soviet days (1988, when I visited the city) when the present Partriarch Alexei was the diocesan bishop in, then, Leningrad he held services in Trinity Cathedral (the one recently damaged by fire) in the Alexander Nevesky Monastery, Lavra. Then, the Kazan Cathedral was a museum and St Issac's was closed. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 12:16, December 3, 2006 (PST)-Apostles ==

*It appears I realize that the purpose of the wiki structure is to allow anyone to edit. I hope OW will forgive my impertinence in merely suggesting (as opposed to creating myself) that it would be Kazansky cathedral, re-open in 1998: http://www.kazansky-spbuseful to have a list (or lists) corresponding to the different saint titles at [[ illuminator ]].ru

*Yes, I've thought of this because an LDS poster on a message board I frequent challenged non-LDS to name five of our own missionaries "whose exploits rival that of the StLDS missionary work. Petersburg Cathedral in honor of ": I think the KazanOW category ' icon Missionaries' covers this with an extensive list. An article over a list of missionaries would be rather long! [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 01:22, September 18, 2011 (UTC): Thanks for the Mother God is response WSK! I'm not seeing the diocesan cathedral according to the Russian "Orthodox Encyclopedia" (http://ezhcategory for 'Missionaries'.sedmitza.ru/index.htmlwhat am I missing?did=64[[User:Jkotinek|Jkotinek]] 19:57, data up to 2004September 19, with updates since then2011 (UTC). The same is listed at the diocesan page on the "Drevo" online encyclopedia (http://drevoNM.pravbesedaFound it.ru/index.php?id=607).[[User:Jkotinek|Jkotinek]] 20:00, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

==Romanian speakers: pls help ro.orthodoxwiki.org projectConfesion ==If you speak Romanian, please help also [http://ro.orthodoxwiki.org/ ro.orthodoxwiki.org] - Fr.Julian

Dacă vorbiţi româneşteWhere may I find info abour Confession? I did a search for that subject & coldn't fnd it. After a long absence from Church, nu ezitaţi să daţi I returned in February 2012. I've had four o mână de ajutor şi proiectului ro: [http://rofive cnfessions snce then.orthodoxwiki Every tme I try to confess, I'm often fogettng sins.org/ ro.orthodoxwiki.org] - p.iulian [[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 14:30 Dad told me it's okay to say "I can't recall others, but I read that it's not okMay 12, December 72012Brooklyn, 2006 (PST)NYThank you Irene Nikolsky

:: I think it's good to talk with a priest, but also you might find some helpful resources at http://stspress.com/ or http://svspress.com - — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action= WikEd editing tool =edit&section=new talk]) 16:34, May 12, 2012 (HST)

: Is there a website that helps people and/or teenagers with basic Q&As about our religion? I just installed it (using the instructions on the page linked above)have teen son, and it works just finewho was baptized Orthodox. For now, just paste the entire code into your User:username/monobook.js page. I don Because my church is in Russian he doesn't see any reason why we can't make a template, as they have on enwant to go.wikipedia I thought if I could find basic info for him, but someone with more Wiki experience (and probably more authorization, possibly [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]]) needs to make then he'd believe me that happenthere are English speaking Eastern Orthodox members. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 06:37Thank you, January 5Irene NikolskyBroolyn, 2007 (PST)NY

:: Greetings Irene. Of course, there are A LOT of English-speaking (and non-Russian) Orthodox people -- For Q+A, you might try http://orthodoxanswers.org/ -- — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action= Orthodox Understanding of the the date of the Last Supper =edit&section=new talk])

I understnad that most == Orthodox theologians, as do I, follow the Gospel of John and do not consider the Last Supper a Passover Meal. If I understand correctly, one of the consequences of this understanding is the fact that leavened bread is used in the Eucharist in the Orthodox church. Are there other consequences, results, etc. of this understanding? It seems to me that the Synoptics agree with John, but have been misinterpreted.wiki stats ==

I am writing an article on the date of the Last SupperIs there a way to look at statistics for various pages by day, week, i.e.month, was it the Passover Meal (night beginning Nisan 15)or was it the night before (night beginning Nisan 14)and year? Apart from, or maybe along with, textual consideradions, the way the early Greek-speaking church understood the Supper must-[[User:Kalvesmaki|Kalvesmaki]] 16:03, it seems to meMay 17, be taken into consideration.2012 (HST)

Not using unleavened bread points ==Diocese evolution in North America==One aspect that direction. Are there other things? I would be interested have had in orientation preparing my contributions to Orthodoxwiki concerns an accurate presentation of the ecclesiastical structure of the Orthodox in North America. While sources concerning the earliest century, notably in this general areathe OCA 1975 publication, give a fairly clear picture of the founding of dioceses and vicariates, the last century is blurred.

Note: I am 81Various sources seem to present a good picture of the history of the structure of the Greek and Antiochian diocese, Phbut the picture within the Russian based organizations gets blurred as the twentieth century progressed.DThe history of the Russian mission to North America seems clear to the first decade of the twentieth century when the Vicariates of Alaska and Brooklyn were formed. from Vanderbilt in 1963 in Biblical StudiesAs hierarchs were installed with sees named Canada, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Winnipeg, Montreal, San Francisco, Detroit, Boston, and speak Englishothers through the time of the Metropolia, Spanish and Frenchapparently as Vicariates of the North American Diocese that commonly was called the Metropolia. I would appreciate knowing about any relevant articles in The formation of any of these languagesVicariates as Dioceses came apparently only after the granting of autocephaly to the the "Metropolia" and, thus, bishops of these sees prior to 1970 were apparently "titular/vicar/assistant bishops, not diocesan bishops.A question in my mind is, were the bishops of the "ethnic dioceses" vicars or ruling bishops?

Thanks The picture for any helpbishops and dioceses of ROCOR in North America is less clear as to when the "titular" sees ceased being "titular" and may have become real dioceses. James M. Beaty

Hows does one use Recent updates to articles about North American dioceses makes necessary a clear understanding of the evolution of the talk page to reply to another user? ThanksNorth American ecclesiastical structure so that Orthodoxwiki articles don't imply existence of dioceses before they came into existence.

One thing I was recently informed that 'm constantly running into (and correcting as I go along) is the Passover Meal was always format of URLs leading to be eaten in haste; the participants always stood during the meal. However, in John 21:20 we read GOARCH's Online Chapel Saints pages being out of how date (and leading to the Apostle John "leaned that page doesn't exist" message). They have changed formats at least once (maybe twice based on his (Christwhat I'sve seen here) breast at supper". Which would fit with a "regular meal", and unfortunately, they haven't set any redirects, whether programmatically or via HTTP 301. (I.e. It would be eaten while reclined. -- Fr. Panteleimon've thought about contacting them about it, but haven't gotten up the nerve to do so)

Example:* (old, broken way): http://goarch.org/en/chapel/saints/1180* (current way): http://goarch.org/chapel/saints_view?contentid== Uncategorized Images ==1180

HelloI've pondered a bit about what should be done here. Obviously,one thing -- which I'm already doing -- is making the necessary correction every time I was wondering why in see one on a page. However, that's just a few out of the uncategorized picture section potentially ''hundreds'' of OrthodoxWiki outdated links there could be. Something else could be developing a bot that would search all pages and update the links automatically. I don't know ''how'' to do that, but I know ''what'' they'd need to do. Anyways, I just wanted to bring it to everyone's (in particular the sysops') attention, as this is pictures of (warning: assumptions lie ahead) a widespread problem, and a potential hindrance from people getting the Pope? He does proper information (i.e. not relate knowing how to get to the studies right URL, or teaching of Orthodoxy ( At least just giving up and saying "oh well, another bad link"). It may seem like a small thing, but it definitely means a lot to me, as I would hate for people to not be able to easily get to the information they need. If I can help, other than my knowledge edit-one-when-I-see-it method, just let me know. [[User:Paharwell|Phil Harwell (paharwell)]] 08:36, December 11, 2012 (HST).  == Canonicity of Revelation == 27 January 2013 I know that there have been talks to try and create am in research on a greater friendship book dealing with the catholics and issues surrounding the acceptance of the book of Revelation into the PopeNew Testament. But I still do (Definitely not think an exegetical commentary – there should be a picture are many hundreds of him them already!) I would appreciate some advice on a Orthodox sitespecific area of research that is giving me difficulty: the history of Revelation’s acceptance in the Eastern church in the 2nd through 5th centuries, and perhaps later. In publications I am only 18 have found so far, there is sometimes a distinction drawn between the acceptance of Revelation in early Western vs Eastern Christianity: acceptance was much more rapid and widespread in the West. I'm still trying have yet to understand my religion more find, however, much insight into why acceptance was slower in the East. What was the nature of the misgivings that the fathers of the Eastern church evidently had? Who, by name, expressed those misgivings? When, how, and under what circumstances? What finally prompted the Eastern Christian churches to accept Revelation? Did they do so gladly or grudgingly? How do Orthodox Christians tend to see Revelation today? Is it often preached? Were there other issues or background that I think people might get seem not to have contemplated? Can you recommend books or articles that address these matters? To hit only some highlights, these are factors that perturbed the acceptance of Revelation in the wrong impression if Western church; perhaps they see were voiced in the Eastern church as well: • Questions of apostolicity.  o Revelation was probably written about 95 A.D. The disciple John (son of Zebedee) would have been quite old at this time, beyond normal life expectancy. There is reason to believe he died about 70 A.D. o The Greek language of Revelation is quite different from the Greek of the Pope on Fourth Gospel, strongly indicating they could not have been written by the OrthodoxWiki sitesame person. Am I wrong  o John bar Zebedee was not known to have had an oversight responsibility of the seven churches to ask this? Because whom Revelation was addressed. • Questions of orthodoxy. o Revelation shares characteristics with many Gnostic writings, especially in its good-evil dualism and its frequent focus on secret knowledge. o Revelation speaks of the Millennium, the thousand-year period after Christ’s return when all believers live happily with Him on earth before the final confrontation with Satan. This concept is absent from the Gospels and Epistles, and it is one of the reasons that Cerinthus (active in Asia Minor at the time Revelation was written there) was declared a earlier post I noticed that Dcnheretic. Andrew said "OrthodoxWiki  o It is dedicated not difficult to Orthodox Christianity." Thanksread in Revelation a theology of salvation by works rather than of salvation by grace through faith in Christ.

PAny insights or recommendations on the Orthodox perspective on the canonicity of Revelation would be most welcome.S.This is a great website and I learn a lot from itexpect to be in research for the rest of 2013, with writing in early 2014.{{unsigned|OrlandoOrthodox}}

According to the canons of the :: Hi David, Unfortunately I don't have any resources in mind (you might check more general Orthodox Churchsources on Scripture). Basically, at which point does we do accept Revelation as a hierarch ascend his cathedra? That canonical book, but we do not read it liturgically and so it is, relatively unemphasized (but still significant!). We do not accept "millennialism" and are basically "amillennial". I wonder if he is elected by the flock anyone else knows of his diocesespecific resources that might be helpful? — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</metropoliab>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/autonomous Church (where such elections are provided forindex.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) is he already considered to occupy his see? Or21:43, will he assume his post only after his election is confirmed by the hierarchal superiors? Or esleJanuary 31, will he do so only after the enthronement ceremony 2013 (where such is provided forHST)? In different lists of hierarchs I have seen different dates marking the beginning of their tenure.

I was thinking what if we had the LXX bible on OrthodoxWiki, so you could read the bible used by the Orthodox on this site. -[[User:ShenLazar|ShenLazar]] 02:18, August 21, 2013 (HST): Hi ShenLazar, I don't think this belongs on OrthodoxWiki, although it would be a great project for another site. Various versions of the LXX (Greek, English translations, etc.) are available elsewhere. There are links at [[Septuagint]]. Difficulties of putting the text here include the question of which translation to use, as well as copyright restrictions on some of the better ones. A more extensive article with links and a good evaluation of the differences between translations could be helpful though. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action= terminology =edit&section=new talk]) 23:20, August 24, 2013 (HST)

The term "Oriental Orthodox" is problematic, since it seems like == Is Revelations 21:27 a euphemism designed to avoid the term "Monophysite." The word "Oriental" really means "Eastern" so the term does not really distinguish the two sides of the debate. Also, the use of the word "Orthodox" implies an acceptance good proof of the Orthodoxy of the non-Chalcedonians, which has still not been agreed upon by a consensus within the (Chalcedonian) Orthodox Church. I know that the term "Monophysite" is considered offensive by the non-Chalcedonians. Unfortunately the term "Miaphysite," coined by some to replace it, is a neologism that just doesn't work in the original Greek (would "miagamous" do as a replacement for "monogamous"Purgatory?) and, in my opinion, serves to obscure the real ground of difference that still seems to separate the two sides. Since OrthodoxWiki is supposed to have a "mainstream Chalcedonian bias," wouldn't the terms "Chalcedonian" and "non-Chalcedonian" or "anti-Chalcedonian" be more appropriate? <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Mariner|Mariner]] ([[User talk:Mariner|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mariner|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>==

According to Revelations 21:Hi [[User:Mariner|Mariner]], please sign you posts with three tildes27, so we can know who is talking - thanks.:In my understanding, the term "monophysite" is not just offensive, But there shall by no means enter it's inaccurate."Anti-Chalcedonian" may be correct as a historical reference, but perhaps not as a theological descriptor. "Non-Chalcedonian" would probably be the preferred term in my mind. "Oriental Orthodox" is generally understood, and does not, I thinkanything that defiles, or cause much confusion. It also seems to be the preferred self-designation of the non-Chalcedonian groups. I don't have a problem granting them that name here. I do not think we need to go heresy hunting. Let us set forth our Chalcedonian understanding of Christology. If they can accept what we mean by this (and WHOM we mean by this)an abomination or lie, I think we but only those who are well on the way towards reunion. We may grant that language issues and imperial politics had a role to play written in the division. :If you could document statements by non-Chalcedonian bishops and theologians who would consider Chalcedonian Christology heretical, I think weLamb'd have more to go on in our conversation (and perhaps some s Book of the non-Chalcedonian folks would like to chime in too). — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])Life"

==Why I am Orthodox==I made a page when anyone can write some phrases Q: This verse seems to show why he is Orthodox (what is for he more atractive in Orthodoxy), why he haven't chosen an other belief (what aspects be supporting the idea of Purgatory that he didn't like it has and it is absent in our religion), we must be "purified" or, simply, some beautiful thought from his soul, concerning "cleansed" before we enter the OrthodoxyKingdom of God.What's the Orthodox belief/perspective of this verse?

The advantage of this page is that == Upcoming council =='''Ecumenical'''there is not needing to wait a special state to write an [http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/uk-religion-orthodoxy-council-idUSBREA280T620140309 This] upcoming council has been preemptively and prematurely called ecumenical by the press. Becouse each of us have such thought I'm interested in mind and we have only to insert them seeing if this wiki has info on it. I figured that an article herewould probably be the best Orthodox perspective. This requires only a few minutes''' -[[User:Koavf|Justin (If we have more complex thoughtkoavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 23:47, we are creating our new page!March 10, 2014 (PDT)

So::No info here that I know of -- I don't think we are great at breaking news. I would just say, however, that there are two senses of ecumenical at play here. I believe the page could become council may be called "ecumenical" in a soft sense, i.e. universal. But this does not automatically give it an '''ode authority equivalent to Orthodoxy''', poem in which anyone can contribute and find something good for his soulthe "Ecumenical Councils" - — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

The page is named Why First - hello to everyone, as I am Orthodox... And not Protestant, Catholic, Budist, etcquite new here. Live Apologetics

: That I saw that there is an interesting ideaa designated space for this Wiki in Serbian language, but OrthodoxWiki is an encyclopedia, and these recent new there are no articles are not really encyclopedicat all. Perhaps they might better I would love to help here and I think that that would be hosted elsewhere. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3the best way I could help, since Serbian is my native language.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond ProSo, GaramondI was wondering can I start working on that and if I can, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] ^{if there is anyone who want and can help? --[[User_talkUser:ASDamickErin Navan|<font color="red">talk</font>Erin Navan]]} <small>[[Special00:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 38, April 15:36, February 19, 2007 2014 (PSTPDT)

::Mircea, I would recommend checking out the forums section in the [[Online Orthodox Communities]] link here and trying your idea there. Besides the fact that the aim == Crucifixion of this site is to be an Orthodox encyclopedia, you'd probbably get a much better response at an active forum. Honestly, the same few people tend to contribute a lot of the material here. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 19:04, February 19, 2007 (PST)Christ ==

:Individual users may post things like this (within reason) Hey guys, do we have an article on their user pages. the crucifixion and death of Christ? The only thing I've moved can find is Holy Week and the article thereExaltation of Christ. — [[User:FrJohnShenLazar|<b>FrJohn</b>ShenLazar]] 16:22, April 23, 2014 ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]PDT)

== denominative aspects of Eucharist Infobox for saints ==

Since '''Intercommunion''' is a central--Wikipedia has an infobox for my point of viewsaints where you can get details like birth, ''the'' central--matter in death, feast days, etc. very easily (inter-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_saint)christian dialogue--since Eucharist is the heart of Ecclesiology, of our self-awareness as members of Christ's body;and since . Would this be something that OrthdoxWiki could implement? I tried using this site is a place not only for Orthodoxes who live among other fellow Christianscode here, but also for they among them who strive to understand our distinctive character,i think it would be of great significance if the article dedicated doesn't seem to Eucharist was enriched with a section where have whatever is needed under the other Christian denomination's Theology and Practice about Eucharist will be presented.Of course that is not possible hood to be in a detailed and systematic manner, but make it could be, at least, focused on the rationale we Orthodox deny Intercommunion with them though we do not deny other communication-relation in love with themwork.: Thanks! [[User:VassilipAngelina123|VassilipAngelina123]]14:24, June 9, 2014 (PDT)

== Question: Autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church and Alexandrian Exarchate in the USA? St. John of Chicago ==

Does anyone have any information about an Autonomous Ukrainian jursidiction I've been doing some poking around into the history of the Orthodox Church in Chicago and the parishes that was recognized as an exarchate St. John of Chicago founded. I have a question regarding this. Fr. John spent a dozen years in the Patriarchate of Alexandria sometime US, and it looks like he consistently spelled his last name "Kochuroff". This is how it is listed in the 19801900 US census, and all the contemporaneous newspaper articles, and even his son's? Any information would be appreciatedbirth certificate. Doing a Newspaper Archive, the first use that shows up as "Kochurov" is in 1994. I know this shift is due to the change in Russian transliteration over the years, but being as the "V" ending is not how he spelled his name I was wondering if we really ought to go back to that. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Katjuscha|contribs]]) . ---Leonidas</small>

== A question about a prayer in the original Greek ==I am doing some research in Church historyHello, investigating the validity of the technique of "historical criticism" using linguistics. :I am in the Byzantine Catholic Church. :My question involves the Stichera for the Office of Great Compline used, I believe, on December 31. It says, "The magi coming from the East adored God made man . . . they brought precious gifts: the purest gold as to the Eternal King." :My question is, Is the term "purest gold" used in the Greek? (Some critics say this is not a term used in the earliest ages of the Church.):Thank you for your kind attention.[[User:MaryKNH|MaryKNH]]

You are referring to the third apostichon I am interested in finding information on John VIII (1106-1156) Bishop of the Great Vespers for December 31: Τοῦ Κυρίου Ἰησοῦ γεννηθέντος ἐν Βηθλεὲμ τῆς Ἰουδαίας, ἓξ Ἀνατολῶν ἐλθόντες Μάγοι, προσεκύνησαν Θεὸν ἐνανθρωπήσαντα καὶ τοὺς θησαυροὺς αὐτῶν προθύμως ἀνοίξαντες, δῶρα τίμια προσέφερον, δόκιμον χρυσόν, ὦς Βασιλεῖ τῶν αἰώνων, καὶ λίβανον, ὦς Θεῷ τῶν ὅλων, ὡς τριημέρω δὲ νεκρῶ, σμύρναν τῶ Ἀθανάτω, Πάντα τὰ ἔθνη, δεῦτε προσκυνήσωμεν, τῶ τεχθέντι σῶσαι τὰς ψυχὰς ἤμώνJerusalem. Your question is about the term δόκιμον χρυσόν. Your translation of "purest gold" isn't literally present I wanted to know if at that time he was actually in the Greek, where instead of καθαρότερον or καθαρότατον there is the positive adjective δόκιμον. Δόκιμον can be translated as "tested" Jerusalem or "tried" and exiled in this context has the sense Constantinople because of "refined". Thus, "refined gold" is the best translation. Of course, refined gold is not Crusaders? I have read that far removed from there was a strong relationship with the "purest gold". Nevertheless, Lavra of San Savvas and the English superlative adjective is not literally found in the GreekCrusaders at that time. I hope this helpsWas wondering if he may have actually been there instead of Jerusalem. Leonidas

Can someone of sysops look on [http://sr.orthodoxwiki.org sr.orthodoxwiki.org] and try to make interwikis to work. Also this would be nice if someone will make Special:Statistic to work. All the best --Tom [[User:JovanvbTompkt|JocaTompkt]] 0418:0141, March 27January 8, 2007 2015 (PDTPST)

:Hi Joca, It's looking great over there already! As far as I've fixed the interwiki linkscan tell, and the error on the stats page should go away once someone actually registers a new account on that wiki - let me know if it doesn't! — he would have been in [[Userw:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://wwwen.orthodoxwikiwikipedia.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talkwiki/Greek_Orthodox_Patriarch_of_Jerusalem#Patriarchs_of_Jerusalem_in_exile|exile]]), though I couldn't find anything specific to him.

::"At first, the crusaders treated the native Orthodox population of Antioch and Jerusalem with a degree of toleration. Since '''Patriarch Symeon of Jerusalem had died in exile in Cyprus''', the crusaders appointed a Latin, [[w:Arnulf of Chocques|Arnold of Choques]], to the Patriarchate. When he died after a few months, his successor, [[w:Dagobert of Pisa|Daimbert of Pisa]] threw the Orthodox out of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, called the Church of the Resurrection by the Orthodox. Significantly, the Holy Fire refused to appear on Holy Saturday, 1101, until he invited the Orthodox clergy to the ceremony. As a result, he adopted a more tolerant policy toward the native Orthodox of the Holy Land where the Orthodox clergy served under the Latin Patriarch.":::''The Historic Church: An Orthodox View of Christian History'' by Archpriest John W. Morris, [https://books.google.com/books?id=KdEgOBdJqxEC&pg= relPA161&lpg="nofollow" for the links PA161#v=onepage&q&f=false p. 161]:::(Emphasis mine; Patr. Symeon was a predecessor of John VIII.)

Can rel=::"nofollow" be removed from the <The Orthodox, however, also maintained a> tags succession of '''patriarchs in the articles? This feature is enabled exile in MediaWiki by default to discourage link spam Cyprus and vandalism.IConstantinople'''m not sure it would be a problem for OrthodoxWiki(see Table 1). Hopefully notOnly one of these, because it requires registration in order to edit pagesLeontius II, and unlike wikipedia, I havenactually visited Jerusalem during the period of Crusader occupation..." :::''t seen a lot The Churches of the Crusader Kingdom of vandalism here.Thank you! <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[UserJerusalem:Alexei Kojenov|Alexei Kojenov]] ([[User talkVolume 3, the City of Jerusalem:Alexei Kojenov|talk]] • A Corpus'' by Denys Pringle, [[Specialhttps:Contributions/Alexei Kojenov|contribs]/books.google.com/books?id=X0jH6VPi4-gC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3#v=onepage&q&f=false p. 3]) April 12, 2007.</small>

:Iwasn'm not sure rel=nofollow is even useful for thatt able to find very much else online, other than a reference to ''Ἡ ἔκταση τῆς ἐξουσίας ἑνὸς ὑπερόριου πατριάρχη: ὁ πατριάρχης Ἀντιοχείας στὴν Κωνσταντινούπολη τὸν 12ο αἰώνα'' , pp. 98ff. by Κ. What it does do is reduce Google rankΓ. I vote for disabling rel=nofollow everywhere possibleΠιτσάκης regarding the word ὑπερόριος (in exile, so consider this a vote for disabling it on OrthodoxWikias compared to titular). Hope that helps. --—[[User:BasilMagda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|Basiltalk]] 09) 22:5516, April 20January 8, 2007 2015 (PDTPST)

::Sorry for the delay on this. I agree (especially when we require login to edit), and I've disabled "nofolow" on all OrthodoxWiki sites. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])Saint Menas ==

==Images from Wikimedia Commons==Do we have here some particular way to import images from Wikimedia CommonsHello, or I must save first on my computer etc.? - [[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 15:56, April 19, 2007 (PDT)

:FrI have recently been reading about Saint Menas and his story of martyrdom. Julian, Sorry for I was wondering if someone could expound on his history. I know that he had an important vision and suffered some horrible tortures while declaring his Christianity. I read among the tortures that he "had his tongue torn out by the delay in getting back to you hereroots". There are some automated import tools, but they're not worth 'Christianity in the difficulty for smaller sets Land of images. For more extensive importsthe Pharaohs'' by Jill Kamil, p119 Also, check out the conversation at [[osource:OrthodoxSource:Photo_galleries]] that his father Audexios had died when he was 14 and his mother prayed for a son and [[osource:OrthodoxSource:Images_for_Import]]her wish was granted. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwikiHe seems to be a very important person who we are not informed of enough.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

== Two subjects: Thank you, and A Correction ==

First, Thank you OrthodoxWiki for your wonderful article on St. Constantine the Great! I only wish you could have included the entire icon of him from the Hagia Sophia.Second, Thank you, Leonidas, for answering my question about a prayer in the original Greek. Tom However, upon further checking I am sorry to say that I inadvertently misdirected you to the Compline for December 31. Please accept my sincere apologies for that. The actual prayer that I am inquiring about is in the Propers for Great Compline of the Nativity of Our Lord, God and Savior, Jesus Christ, the third "Aposticha" rendered in English as[[User: "When the Lord Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, the Magi, coming from the East, adored God made man, and unfolding their treasures, they brought precious giftsTompkt|Tompkt]] 08: the purest gold as to the eternal King. . . " My question was57, "Is the term 'purest gold' found in the original Greek?"Thank you all, in advance, for any help you can offer. With sincere best wishes in ChristJanuary 10, Mary2015 (PST)