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== Orthodox Dictionary == English - Russian - Greek - Romanian - Finnish - Swedish-> http://www.ortodoksi.net/dict/search.php[[User:HAP|HAP]] 00:47, January 5, 2007 (PST) ==Barnstar=='''Asserted:''' We need to have an OrthodoxWiki [[w:Wikipedia:Barnstars|barnstar]]. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Dcn. Andrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 20:06, August 16, 2006 (CDT):Go for it! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) ==Project Ideas==Check out the discussion of project ideas at [[OrthodoxWiki:Project Ideas]]. ==The Real Presence== How about a discussion of the real Presence according to Orthodoxy? It is hard to find good articles on this important topic online, and [[Eucharist]] is too brief in this regard. [[User:Willibald|Willibald]] 23:59, August 23, 2006 (CDT) ==Interwiki==Hello, I would like to request someone to put in [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] the relevant interwiki '''<nowiki>[[bg:Специални:Recentchanges]]</nowiki>''' to the bulgarian recent changes special page. Thanks.:P.S. And... I would like to make a proposal: [[:metawikipedia:DPLforum|this extension]] acts like a forum inside the wiki and is better for discussions. [[User:Gregg|Gregg]] 17:38, August 26, 2006 (CDT):I've added the interwiki link and installed the forum extension. Haven't tested it out, but let's try it and see how it works. There's a sample forum [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Index here]. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])::More help about the forum can be found [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Forums here]. --[[User:Gregg|Gregg]] 00:59, August 31, 2006 (CDT)[[Category:OrthodoxWiki]][[bg:Project:Трапеза]] == Language Boxes == Anyone interested in porting over some of the language templates (the boxes that indicate user proficiency) from Wikipedia? It might be helpful in identifying people re: the various localizations. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) :I have started to do just that. Here is my personal [[User:Hellenica/Babel|"Babel project"]] with some of the work I've been attempting. I suppose recent changes and my user contributions would also provide a similar look. I hope the progress is satisfactory. [[User:Hellenica|Hellenica]] 21:46, November 30, 2006 (PST) ::I'm definitely liking these wikipedia imports, Hellenica. The language boxes are extremely useful (Spanish, anyone?), and the personal user ones are just fun.[[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 20:49, December 1, 2006 (PST) == Cathedral of St. Petersburg, Russia == I've looked throughout the interweb and I simply can't find any place that says what the main cathedral of St. Petersburg is. Is it the Transfiguration? Kazan? I would think St. Isaac's would be "it" but non confirmation. Any help? ~N *This may not be true today, but in the late Soviet days (1988, when I visited the city) when the present Partriarch Alexei was the diocesan bishop in, then, Leningrad he held services in Holy Trinity Cathedral (the one recently damaged by fire) in the Alexander Nevesky Monastery, Lavra. Then, the Kazan Cathedral was a museum and St Issac's was closed. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 12:16, December 3, 2006 (PST) *It appears to be Kazansky cathedral, re-open in 1998: http://www.kazansky-spb.ru *Yes, the St. Petersburg Cathedral in honor of the Kazan' icon of the Mother God is the diocesan cathedral according to the Russian "Orthodox Encyclopedia" (http://ezh.sedmitza.ru/index.html?did=64, data up to 2004, with updates since then). The same is listed at the diocesan page on the "Drevo" online encyclopedia (http://drevo.pravbeseda.ru/index.php?id=607). ==Romanian speakers: pls help ro.orthodoxwiki.org project==If you speak Romanian, please help also [http://ro.orthodoxwiki.org/ ro.orthodoxwiki.org] - Fr.Julian Dacă vorbiţi româneşte, nu ezitaţi să daţi o mână de ajutor şi proiectului ro: [http://ro.orthodoxwiki.org/ ro.orthodoxwiki.org] - p.iulian [[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 14:30, December 7, 2006 (PST) == WikEd editing tool == I've recently been using the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cacycle/wikEd WikEd tool] on Wikipedia, with success. The author says it should work on other wikis running the latest WikiMedia software, which I know we do. Can someone with more technical knowledge than I take a gander at the page and let me know if the tool would work here? Thanks. --[[User:Cholmes75|cholmes75]] 08:13, December 20, 2006 (PST) : I just installed it (using the instructions on the page linked above), and it works just fine. For now, just paste the entire code into your User:username/monobook.js page. I don't see any reason why we can't make a template, as they have on en.wikipedia, but someone with more Wiki experience (and probably more authorization, possibly [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]]) needs to make that happen. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 06:37, January 5, 2007 (PST) == Orthodox Understanding of the the date of the Last Supper Metafor == I understnad that most Orthodox theologians, as do I, follow the Gospel of John and do not consider the Last Supper a Passover Meal. If I understand correctly, one of the consequences of this understanding is the fact that leavened bread is used in the Eucharist in the Orthodox church. Are there other consequences, results, etc. of this understanding? It seems to me that the Synoptics agree with John, but have been misinterpreted. I am writing an article on the date of the Last Supper, i.e., was it the Passover Meal (night beginning Nisan 15)or was it the night before (night beginning Nisan 14)? Apart from, or maybe along with, textual consideradions, the way the early Greek-speaking church understood the Supper must, it seems to me, be taken into consideration. Not using unleavened bread points in that direction. Are there other things? I would be interested in orientation in this general area.  Note: I am 81, Ph.D. from Vanderbilt in 1963 in Biblical Studies, and speak English, Spanish and French. I would appreciate knowing about any relevant articles in any of these languages. Thanks for any help. James M. Beaty Hows does one use the talk page to reply to another user? Thanks. 

I was recently informed that as the Passover Meal was always to be eaten in haste; the participants always stood during Reading about the meal. Howevermaterial universe, in John 21:20 we read of how the Apostle John "leaned on his noticed that there are 3 infinities (Christ'sor mysteries) breast at supper". Which would fit with a "regular meal". I.e. It would be eaten while reclined. -- Fr. Panteleimonthat define our world:

Hello,I was wondering why in the uncategorized picture section of OrthodoxWiki there is pictures 2. --- The "small infinity" or mystery of the Pope? He does not relate to subatomic universe. We split the studies or teaching of Orthodoxy ( At least not to my knowledge ). I know that there have been talks to try atoms in so many sub-particles, and create a greater friendship with the catholics and latest belief is that in fact all the Pope. But I still do not think there should be matter is a picture concentration of him on a Orthodox siteenergy. I am only 18 But where does matter end and I'm still trying to understand my religion more and I think people might get the wrong impression if they see the Pope on the OrthodoxWiki site. Am I wrong to ask thispure energy begins? Because on a earlier post I noticed that Dcn. Andrew said "OrthodoxWiki is dedicated to Orthodox Christianity." Thanks.

P.S.This is a great website I may be overcomplicating here, but it's just so poetic to notice how the science laws of the big universe and I learn a lot from the small universe are in disagreement with each-other when itcomes to apply the macrocosmos laws to microcosmos or the other way around, as if God intended things to be mysterious and impenetrable for the human mind.{{unsigned|OrlandoOrthodox}}

Although the Orthodox 3. --- The infinite complexity of life and Caholic churches intelligence. The connections in our brain are not said to be more than all the stars in full Communion, there is often movement,in that directionthe universe. The biggest obstacle, But how can this complexity come to that happening be in only 4 billon years since our Earth is, antipapal feeling, coming from the radical wing of the Orthodox Churchsaid to exist. This has been going on for decades. It's time to come togetherlevel of organisation of matter, and love one anotherfirst level: life, for all timessecond level: intelligent life are both just unconceivable by science.{{unsigned|Deacongene}}

== When does I want to ask you: could these 3 "infinities" be a hierarch begin his tenurereflection of the Holy Trinity in the material world? Or what is the theological view about those mysteries? ==

== terminology New category ==I was thinking of adding a category to be called '''"Propitiatory Offerings"''' where all of the things that are offered to God can be grouped together, inluding: [[Artoklasia]], [[Kollyva]], [[Proskomedia]], [[Molieben]], [[Incense]], [[Myrrh]], [[Votive Offerings]], and things of this nature. Propitiatory Offerings in the Old Testament consisted mainly of sacrifices; in the Orthodox Church we have this new array of elements. Any ideas or comments? Is it accurate to describe it this way? Thanks and cheers. [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 20:34, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

The term "Oriental Orthodox" : Propitiation is a problematic, since it seems like a euphemism designed concept for Orthodoxy and one I wouldn't be willing to avoid the term "Monophysiteendorse (e." The word "Oriental" really means "Eastern" so the term does not really distinguish the two sides of the debateg. Also, the use of the word "Orthodox" implies an acceptance of the Orthodoxy of the non-Chalcedonians, which has still not been agreed upon by a consensus within the (Chalcedonian) Orthodox Church. I know that the term "Monophysite" is considered offensive by the non-Chalcedonians. Unfortunately the term "Miaphysitewould never say," coined by some to replace it, is a neologism that just doesn't work in the original Greek (would "miagamous" do We offer up incense as a replacement for "monogamouspropitiation to God"?) and. That said, in my opinionthough, serves to obscure the real ground I've never heard of difference that still seems to separate the two sidesthese things really being grouped together in traditional Orthodox writings. Since OrthodoxWiki is supposed to have a &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="mainstream Chalcedonian bias,3.5" wouldn't the terms color="Chalcedoniangreen" and face="non-ChalcedonianAdobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman" or "anti-Chalcedonian" be more appropriate? >Fr. Andrew</font>]] <smallsup>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[UserUser_talk:MarinerASDamick|Mariner<font color="red">talk</font>]] (</sup> <small>[[User talkSpecial:MarinerContributions/ASDamick|talk<font color="black">contribs</font>]] • <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[SpecialUser:ContributionsASDamick/MarinerWiki-philosophy|contribsTHINK!]]''') {{{2|}}}.</font></small>14:05, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:Mariner|Mariner]], please sign you posts with three tildes, so we can know who is talking - thanks.:In my understanding, the term "monophysite" is not just offensive, it's inaccurate."Anti-Chalcedonian" may be correct as a historical reference, but perhaps not as a theological descriptor. "Non-Chalcedonian" would probably be Thanks for the preferred term in my mind. "Oriental Orthodox" is generally understood, and does notclarification Father, I thinkcheers, cause much confusion. It also seems to be the preferred self-designation of the non-Chalcedonian groups. I don't have a problem granting them that name here. I do not think we need to go heresy hunting. Let us set forth our Chalcedonian understanding of Christology. If they can accept what we mean by this (and WHOM we mean by this), I think we are well on the way towards reunion. We may grant that language issues and imperial politics had a role to play in the division. :If you could document statements by non-Chalcedonian bishops and theologians who would consider Chalcedonian Christology heretical, I think we'd have more to go on in our conversation (and perhaps some of the non-Chalcedonian folks would like to chime in too). — [[User:FrJohnAngellight 888|<b>FrJohn</b>Angellight 888]] 14:09, May 19, 2011 ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]UTC)

==Why I am OrthodoxCalendar Days ==Greetings. I made had a page when anyone can write some phrases to show why he is look over at Wikipedia at their Orthodox "Calendar day" pages, and I liked how the pages were set up; instead of a block paragraph, with all the daily Saints blocked together as we have them here, they list them in a neatly ordered list (what is with bullets). This list could even be arranged chronologically for he more atractive that particular day (i.e. with the oldest-in Orthodoxy)-time Saints listed first, why he haven't chosen an other belief (what aspects the most recent saint for that he didn't like it has and it is absent in our religionday listed last), or, simply, some beautiful thought from his soul, concerning the Orthodoxy.

The advantage of this page is that '''there Here is not needing to wait a special state to write an articleexample from Wikipedia for [[w:June 4 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)|JUNE 4th]]. Becouse each I would like to go into all of us have such thought in mind our Calendar Day pages for the entire year (all 365 days), and we have only make the change form paragraph to insert them herelist form, for ease of reading and better visual (and chronological) access. This requires only a few minutes''Would this be okay / sound good / any objections? (I don' t mind doing the work). Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 11:52, June 4, 2011 (If we have more complex thought, we are creating our new page!UTC)

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:Individual users may post things like this (within reason) on their user pagesFYI. I've moved the article there. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

Since '''Intercommunion''' is a central--for my point of view, ''the'' central--matter in (inter-)christian dialogue--since Eucharist is the heart of Ecclesiology, of our self-awareness as members of Christ: It's bodybeen fixed. &mdash;and since this site is a place not only for Orthodoxes who live among other fellow Christians[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, but also for they among them who strive to understand our distinctive characterGeorgia,i think it would be of great significance if the article dedicated to Eucharist was enriched with a section where the other Christian denomination's Theology and Practice about Eucharist will be presentedTimes New Roman">Fr.Of course that is not possible to be in a detailed and systematic mannerAndrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, but it could beGaramond, at leastGeorgia, focused on the rationale we Orthodox deny Intercommunion with them though we do not deny other communication-relation in love with them.: Times New Roman">('''[[User:VassilipASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|VassilipTHINK!]]''')</font></small> 18:20, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

== Picture ==Could someone explain me how I realize that the purpose of the wiki structure is to post picture in articleallow anyone to edit. I hope OW will forgive my impertinence in merely suggesting (as opposed to creating myself) that tomorow I will it would be useful to have Icon of Saint Sava of Serbiaa list (or lists) corresponding to the different saint titles at [[ illuminator ]]. ---Ddpbf

== A question about I've thought of this because an LDS poster on a prayer in the original Greek ==message board I am doing some research in Church history, investigating the validity frequent challenged non-LDS to name five of our own missionaries "whose exploits rival that of the technique of LDS missionary work."historical criticism" using linguistics. :I am in think the Byzantine Catholic ChurchOW category 'Missionaries' covers this with an extensive list. An article over a list of missionaries would be rather long! [[User:My question involves the Stichera Wsk|Wsk]] 01:22, September 18, 2011 (UTC): Thanks for the Office of Great Compline used, response WSK! I believe, on December 31. It says, "The magi coming from 'm not seeing the East adored God made man category for 'Missionaries'. . . they brought precious giftswhat am I missing? [[User: the purest gold as to the Eternal King." Jkotinek|Jkotinek]] 19:My question is57, Is the term "purest gold" used in the Greek? September 19, 2011 (Some critics say this is not a term used in the earliest ages of the Church.UTC):Thank you for your kind attentionNM. Found it.= ) [[User:MaryKNHJkotinek|MaryKNHJkotinek]]20:00, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Can someone of sysops look on [:: I think it's good to talk with a priest, but also you might find some helpful resources at http://srstspress.orthodoxwiki.org sr.orthodoxwiki.org] and try to make interwikis to work. Also this would be nice if someone will make Specialcom/ or http:Statistic to work//svspress. All the best -com -— [[User:JovanvbFrJohn|Joca<b>FrJohn</b>]] 04([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 16:0134, March 27May 12, 2007 2012 (PDTHST)

:Hi Joca, It's looking great over there already! I've fixed the interwiki links, and the error on the stats page should go away once someone actually registers a new account on that wiki - let me know if it doesn't! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])Basic Information ==

== rel="nofollow" Is there a website that helps people and/or teenagers with basic Q&As about our religion? I have teen son, who was baptized Orthodox. Because my church is in Russian he doesn't want to go. I thought if I could find basic info for the links ==him, then he'd believe me that there are English speaking Eastern Orthodox members.Thank you,Irene NikolskyBroolyn, NY

Can rel="nofollow" be removed from the <a> tags in the articles? This feature is enabled in MediaWiki by default to discourage link spam and vandalism.I'm not sure it would be a problem for OrthodoxWiki:: Greetings Irene. Hopefully not, because it requires registration in order to edit pagesOf course, there are A LOT of English-speaking (and unlike wikipedianon-Russian) Orthodox people -- For Q+A, I haven't seen a lot of vandalism hereyou might try http://orthodoxanswers.Thank you! <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by org/ -- — [[User:Alexei KojenovFrJohn|Alexei Kojenov<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([[User talkhttp://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Alexei Kojenov|FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexei Kojenov|contribs]]) April 12, 2007.</small>

:I'm not sure rel=nofollow is even useful for that. What it does do is reduce Google rank. I vote for disabling rel=nofollow everywhere possible, so consider this a vote for disabling it on OrthodoxWiki. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 09:55, April 20, 2007 (PDT)Orthodox wiki stats ==

::Sorry Is there a way to look at statistics for the delay on this. I agree (especially when we require login to edit)various pages by day, week, month, and I've disabled "nofolow" on all OrthodoxWiki sites. — year? --[[User:FrJohnKalvesmaki|<b>FrJohn</b>Kalvesmaki]] 16:03, May 17, 2012 ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]HST)

==Images from Wikimedia CommonsDiocese evolution in North America==Do we One aspect that I have here some particular way had in preparing my contributions to import images from Wikimedia CommonsOrthodoxwiki concerns an accurate presentation of the ecclesiastical structure of the Orthodox in North America. While sources concerning the earliest century, or I must save first on my computer etc.? - [[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 15:56notably in the OCA 1975 publication, April 19give a fairly clear picture of the founding of dioceses and vicariates, 2007 (PDT)the last century is blurred.

:FrVarious sources seem to present a good picture of the history of the structure of the Greek and Antiochian diocese, but the picture within the Russian based organizations gets blurred as the twentieth century progressed. Julian, Sorry for The history of the delay in getting back Russian mission to North America seems clear to you herethe first decade of the twentieth century when the Vicariates of Alaska and Brooklyn were formed. There are some automated import toolsAs hierarchs were installed with sees named Canada, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Winnipeg, Montreal, San Francisco, Detroit, Boston, but they're not worth and others through the time of the difficulty for smaller sets Metropolia, apparently as Vicariates of imagesthe North American Diocese that commonly was called the Metropolia. For more extensive imports, check out The formation of any of these Vicariates as Dioceses came apparently only after the granting of autocephaly to the the conversation at [[osource:OrthodoxSource:Photo_galleries]] "Metropolia" and [[osource:OrthodoxSource:Images_for_Import]]. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn<, thus, bishops of these sees prior to 1970 were apparently "titular/b>]] ([http:vicar//wwwassistant bishops, not diocesan bishops.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])A question in my mind is, were the bishops of the "ethnic dioceses" vicars or ruling bishops?

== Two subjects: Thank you, The picture for bishops and A Correction ==dioceses of ROCOR in North America is less clear as to when the "titular" sees ceased being "titular" and may have become real dioceses.

First, Thank you OrthodoxWiki for your wonderful article on St. Constantine the Great! I only wish you could have included the entire icon of him from the Hagia Sophia.Second, Thank you, Leonidas, for answering my question Recent updates to articles about North American dioceses makes necessary a prayer in the original Greek. However, upon further checking I am sorry to say that I inadvertently misdirected you to the Compline for December 31. Please accept my sincere apologies for that. The actual prayer that I am inquiring about is in the Propers for Great Compline clear understanding of the Nativity evolution of Our Lord, God and Savior, Jesus Christ, the third "Aposticha" rendered in English as: "When the Lord Jesus was born in Bethlehem North American ecclesiastical structure so that Orthodoxwiki articles don't imply existence of Judea, the Magi, coming from the East, adored God made man, and unfolding their treasures, dioceses before they brought precious gifts: the purest gold as to the eternal King. . . " My question was, "Is the term 'purest gold' found in the original Greek?"Thank you all, in advance, for any help you can offercame into existence. With sincere best wishes in Christ, Mary

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One thing I've created edittools for el.OrthodoxWiki, it might be usefull on en. or any other OrthodoxWiki. Ofcourse you can modify it accordingly in order m constantly running into (and correcting as I go along) is the format of URLs leading to suit you special needs. On GOARCH's Online Chapel Saints pages being out of date (and leading to the "that page doesn't exist" message). They have changed formats at least once (maybe twice based on what I'βελτίωση''ve seen here), and unfortunately, they haven' please add t set any template you have for articleredirects, whether programmatically or via HTTP 301. (I's improvement. --[[User:Kalogeropoulos|Kalogeropoulos]] 13:03ve thought about contacting them about it, July 2, 2007 (PDTbut haven't gotten up the nerve to do so)

Example:* (old, broken way): http://goarch.org/en/chapel/saints/1180* (current way): http://goarch.org/chapel/saints_view?contentid==Russian "Old" Churches==1180

I'm ve pondered a bit confused about the status of at least three articles:*Russian Oldwhat should be done here. Obviously, one thing -- which I'm already doing -Orthodox Church*Russian Orthodox Old-Rite Church*Russian Orthodox Oldritualist ChurchDo these represent different groups? Looking at is making the history of the [[Russian Old-Orthodox Church]] and [[Russian Orthodox Oldritualist Church]], necessary correction every time I can see one on a page. However, that 's just a few out of the potentially ''hundreds'' of outdated links there must have been something .could be.Something else could be developing a bot that would search all pages and update the links automatically. I don't know ''how'' to do that, but that has mysteriously disappearedI know ''what'' they'd need to do. And the [[Russian Orthodox Old-Rite Church]] articleAnyways, taken from Wikipedia, has an external link I just wanted to bring it to everyone's (in particular the OrthodoxWiki article Russian Orthodox Oldritualist Church. Clarification? —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] sysops') attention, as this is ([[User_talkwarning:Magda|talk]]assumptions lie ahead) 07:41a widespread problem, and a potential hindrance from people getting the proper information (i.e. not knowing how to get to the right URL, August 8or just giving up and saying "oh well, 2007 (PDTanother bad link"). It may seem like a small thing, but it definitely means a lot to me, as I would hate for people to not be able to easily get to the information they need.

Magda, If I don't know the story behind these articlescan help, and I'm not an expert in this area. It seems to me they would all be "Old Believer" churches, though other than my edit-one-when-I suppose The ROCOR parish in Erie, PA is a former Old Believer church that now is part of the Chruch Abroad, but that continues to practice the old rite. There are also a number of different Old Believer groups -see- I'm not sure how they are distinguished in terms of namesit method, just let me know. — [[User:FrJohnPaharwell|<b>FrJohn</b>Phil Harwell (paharwell)]] 08:36, December 11, 2012 ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]HST)

==ConversionCanonicity of Revelation ==Not sure if this is the place for this, but here goes:

:Hi Gorig, Thanks for your note -- may God bless you I am in research on your journeya book dealing with the issues surrounding the acceptance of the book of Revelation into the New Testament. (Definitely not an exegetical commentary – there are many hundreds of them already! ) I'd recommend visiting around to your local Orthodox parisheswould appreciate some advice on a specific area of research that is giving me difficulty: the history of Revelation’s acceptance in the Eastern church in the 2nd through 5th centuries, and perhaps later. Find one where you feel comfortable In publications I have found so far, there is sometimes a distinction drawn between the acceptance of Revelation in early Western vs Eastern Christianity: acceptance was much more rapid and talk with widespread in the priest thereWest. If you want I have yet to say where you're locatedfind, however, maybe we can help point you to a much insight into why acceptance was slower in the East. What was the nature of the misgivings that the fathers of the Eastern church. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 10:18evidently had? Who, by name, expressed those misgivings? When, August 25how, 2007 (PDT)and under what circumstances? What finally prompted the Eastern Christian churches to accept Revelation? Did they do so gladly or grudgingly? How do Orthodox Christians tend to see Revelation today? Is it often preached? Were there other issues or background that I seem not to have contemplated? Can you recommend books or articles that address these matters?

::Fr John's idea is definitely a good one; there's a list of parishes for every U.S. state on Orthowiki, so hopefully you can find one near you (or several, if you live in a large metropolitan area). But more specificallyTo hit only some highlights, if you're wondering what these are factors that perturbed the actual conversion process consists of, it usually includes a series acceptance of catechism classes. How many and how long depends on your parish priest. When I began the process a couple years ago, for example, my priest held an after-Liturgy class two Sundays a month from October until April, when everyone Revelation in the group was baptized/chrismated (or bailed out at the last minute, in one or two cases). Each one lasted a little over an hour, and Western church; perhaps they covered basic theology, liturgics, a bit of ecclesiology, Orthodox spirituality, and lots of Church history. Of course, the detailed content depends on the priest, but you'll get the basics anywhere. Since you were brought up Unitarian, you'll probably need to be both baptized and chrismated, and a priest can tell you about doing so voiced in due time. The best way to learn, though, is to go through a year of liturgical services, especially during Lent and Pascha. The Paschal service really is the best way to understand the heart of Orthodoxy&mdash;but you'll get there eventually(if you want, of course). Hope this helps. [[UserEastern church as well:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 20:55, August 25, 2007 (PDT):::Thank you for your help. I live in Laguna Hills, CA, by the way. --[[User:Gorig|Gorig]] 17:04, September 5, 2007 (PDT)

Who can tell me what o The Greek language of Revelation is quite different from the content Greek of this theory and the orthodox view of itFourth Gospel, strongly indicating they could not have been written by the same person. [[User:Arthasfleo|Arthasfleo]] 01:25, September 11, 2007 (PDT)

:Not I, but it looks like there are some pages here o John bar Zebedee was not known to look into: [http://orthodoxinfo.com/death/tollhouse_pomaz.aspx On the Question have had an oversight responsibility of the "Toll-Houses"] by Protopresbyter Michael Pomazanskyseven churches to whom Revelation was addressed. —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 17:08, September 11, 2007 (PDT)

::OK• Questions of orthodoxy. Thank you - [[User:Arthasfleo|Arthasfleo]] 23:23, September 12, 2007 (PDT)

== Formatting of "List of parishes o Revelation shares characteristics with many Gnostic writings, especially in [state]" articles ==its good-evil dualism and its frequent focus on secret knowledge.

As someone who occasionally uses o Revelation speaks of the Millennium, the "List of parishes in [state]" pages to find a parish thousand-year period after Christ’s return when I'm out of town, I wonder if we couldn't put forth a standard for formatting these pages to make it easier to find such information? I'm all believers live happily with Him on earth before the final confrontation with Satan. This concept is absent from St. Louis, MOthe Gospels and Epistles, and I've formatted it is one of the Missouri page so reasons that parishes Cerinthus (active in Asia Minor at the time Revelation was written there) was declared a given metro area are all grouped together, with large headers for the metro area, and small headers for the individual municipalities:heretic.

http://orthodoxwikio It is not difficult to read in Revelation a theology of salvation by works rather than of salvation by grace through faith in Christ.org/List_of_parishes_in_Missouri_%28USA%29

In this way, if you're going Any insights or recommendations on the Orthodox perspective on the canonicity of Revelation would be most welcome. I expect to visit St. Louis, be in research for instance, you'll easily find all ten parishes in the arearest of 2013, not just those located with writing in the St. Louis city limits. Contrast this with, say, the Tennessee or Texas pages..early 2014.

:Please see [[Category talk:Parish Directory Hi David, Unfortunately I don't have any resources in mind (USAyou might check more general Orthodox sources on Scripture)]] for . Basically, we do accept Revelation as a discussion on standard formatting for these pagescanonical book, but we do not read it liturgically and so it is relatively unemphasized (but still significant!). We do not accept "millennialism" and are basically "amillennial". I wonder if anyone else knows of specific resources that might be helpful? —[[User:MagdaFrJohn|<b>magdaFrJohn</b>]] ([[http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Magda|FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]]) 1521:2943, October January 31, 2007 2013 (PDTHST)

== Managua Orthodox parishes Bible Text ==

Please help me locate I was thinking what if we had the namesLXX bible on OrthodoxWiki, addressesso you could read the bible used by the Orthodox on this site. -[[User:ShenLazar|ShenLazar]] 02:18, August 21, 2013 (HST): Hi ShenLazar, I don't think this belongs on OrthodoxWiki, and contact info although it would be a great project for Orthodox another site. Various versions of the LXX (preference is Greek, English-speakingtranslations, etc.) parishes/clergy in Managua, Nicaraguaare available elsewhere. Thank youThere are links at [[Septuagint]]. Ed FreemanDifficulties of putting the text here include the question of which translation to use, Miami Beach, Florida, USAas well as copyright restrictions on some of the better ones. A more extensive article with links and a good evaluation of the differences between translations could be helpful though. Edinmiami@yahoo— [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.comorg/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 23:20, August 24, 2013 (HST)

==NovemberIs Revelations 21:27 a good proof of Purgatory? ==OrthodoxWiki commemorations in November :*2004 : english parent-project started*2006 : romanian project started (650 articles today)

Long life According to the project ! Chronia pola! Mnogaia Leta ! La Multi Ani ! --[[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 06Revelations 21:1227, November 14"But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, 2007 (PST):幾年も！ Mnogaia leta! --[[User:Cat68|Cat68]] 10:06or cause an abomination or lie, November 20, 2007 (PST)but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life"

Thanks for your post, FrQ: This verse seems to be supporting the idea of Purgatory that we must be "purified" or "cleansed" before we enter the Kingdom of God. Julian! ItWhat's a beautiful thing to me how the Orthodox Christians from all over the world have come together to build these encyclopedias. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.orgbelief/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])perspective of this verse?

==Bad BehaviorUpcoming council ==The "Bad Behavior" script was disabled '''Ecumenical''' [http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/uk-religion-orthodoxy-council-idUSBREA280T620140309 This] upcoming council has been preemptively and prematurely called ecumenical by Fr Johnthe press. So, welcome back and happy editingI'm interested in seeing if this wiki has info on it. I figured that an article here would probably be the best Orthodox perspective. --[[User:InisteaKoavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|InisteaC]] 10·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 23:4447, December 7March 10, 2007 2014 (PSTPDT)

::No info here that I know of -- I don't think we are great at breaking news. I would just say, however, that there are two senses of ecumenical at play here. I believe the council may be called "ecumenical" in a soft sense, i.e. universal. But this does not automatically give it an authority equivalent to the "Ecumenical Councils" - — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=Good Samaritan reading?=edit&section=new talk])

Evrogite! I have a question which requires understanding of the church calendar(s): On what day of the year would the Parable of the Good Samaritan have been read == OrthodoxWiki in southern Siberia, a century ago? (Still the 25th Sunday after Pentecost? Which would have translated into what day of the year for them?) Thank you![[User:Zla'od|Zla&#39;od]] 00:12, January 4, 2008 (PST)Serbian ==

==Missing Biblical Saints==[[http://enFirst - hello to everyone, as I am quite new here.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Procula]] Wife of Pilate

[[http://enThen..wikipedia.org/wiki/Longinus_%28Christian_mythology%29]] Longinus

I saw that there is a designated space for this Wiki in Serbian language, but there are no articles at all. I would love to help here and I think that that would be the best way I could help, since Serbian is my native language. So, I was wondering can I start working on that and if I can, if there is anyone who want and can help? --[[httpUser://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_and_DivesErin Navan|Erin Navan]] The poor Lazarus00:38, if other than St Lazarus of BethanyApril 15, 2014 (PDT)

I KNOW THESE! Just not off Hey guys, do we have an article on the top crucifixion and death of my head. Christ? The only thing I can point you in find is Holy Week and the right direction for the wife of Pilate she is celebrated as one Exaltation of the 7 Myrrh Bearing Women along with Mary Magdalene Christ... I have that Synaxaristi at home so I can not point you to her name ... or the date. However, if I can guess, they should be celebrated after Easter ... for sure! I will follow this up for you. I do not know much about Longinus but I am sure that their is a date we celebrate the poor Lazarus from the parable story ...again, this book is at home. Vasiliki [[User:ShenLazar|ShenLazar]] 1316:4622, January 14April 23, 2008 2014 (PSTPDT)~