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: I talked to a ROCOR priest yesterday and he said the clergy/laity had decided that the union was a go. He said that next week the synod of ROCOR bishops would make the final decision. [[User:Joe Rodgers|Joe]] 2006-05-13
Because OCA is an autocephalous body, restoration of normal canonical relations does not necessarily follow from this resolution of the fouth all-diapora council being ratified by the synod of bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. The ROCOR will enter into Communion with Moscow much in the same way that the self-governing Ukrainian Orthodox Church is today. The ROCOR is also in Communion with the Patriarchate of Serbia, which is in Communion with all of universal Orthodoxy. Therefore it does not follow, ipso facto, that Communion with any other Church body will be restored vicariously through this unification. If such were the case, schims could result within the Church Abroad. -Reader of the Church Abroad, Diocese of San Francisco and Western America.<small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Psaltes|Psaltes]] ([[User talk:Psaltes|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psaltes|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>
Based on everything I've been taught during the last eight years I've spent in the Russian Church Abroad, I would second the unsigned comment above. Whatever my personal feelings about the OCA are, I have not yet seen or heard anything officially declaring us to have resumed "full communion" or "concelebrations" with them. It seems like the last statement about reconciliation is a bit premature! [[User:Aaron Taylor|Aaron]]
My understanding is that a number of bishops from various jurisdictions, including the OCA, concelebrated with ROCOR clergy in Russia following the official reconciliation between the Church of Russia and ROCOR. --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 16:56, June 6, 2007 (PDT) :It looks like there is some concelebrating going on, See OCA news: [http://oca.org/News.asp?ID=1250&SID=19 OCA clerics attend services marking reunification of ROCOR, Moscow Patriarchate] - [[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 05:09, June 7, 2007 (PDT) == Locum Tenems Tenens ==
Calling the Moscow Patriarchs "Locum Tenems"- occupying the place of the "real" patriarch in his absence- seems strongly Point Of View. [[User:Rakovsky|Rakovsky]] 04:35, August 17, 2006 (CDT)
:To which spot are you referring? In most cases in the article, it was an indeniable statement of fact - Patr. Sergius was a locum tenens for quite a while before he was, after essentially doing the job for years, elevated to patriarch. The hierarch who bestowed the tomos was the locum tenens - the patriarch having died days/weeks (can't remember) before, and some of the Greek bishops, it seems, found out about the autocephaly through where Bp Theodosius was placed in the procession. As for the spot in the ROCOR letter, well, that is an advertised POV. — edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 05:43, August 17, 2006 (CDT)
Fast response, Pistevo! How about the point in the ROCOR letter, which you described, perhaps correctly, as an "advertised" point of view. It was not clear to me at first whether this was just ROCOR's Point of View or everyone agreed it to be Locum Tenems. Maybe a parenthetical note should be added in the text.
By the way, it was enjoyable reading different parts of the article, including about refusing negotiations in the 1940's with Moscow after the convention had already voted for it, because of rumors of - a clergyman with a handheld atomic bomb :) :)
Seriously though, what are some different explanations of why the Metropolitan refused negotiations, after inviting Gregory? Just that he only wanted the negotiations as a pretext for leaving ROCOR? [[User:Rakovsky|Rakovsky]] 06:28, August 17, 2006 (CDT)
: I checked through the article for all mentions of the phrase ''locum tenens'', and none were based on a POV other than that which is verifiable, documentable public record. Even the referenced ROCOR letter referred to Metr. Pimen as the ''locum tenens'' of the patriarchal throne, when it was probably the case that some in ROCOR might not have regarded him in some sense as a bishop at all (as many regarded the MP synod itself as wholly illegitimate).
: Anyway, I'm the one who mostly researched and wrote this article, and I couldn't find any specifically documentable reasons for why Theophilus chose not to negotiate with Gregory. One may of course speculate. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Dcn. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 06:38, August 17, 2006 (CDT)
== Update? ==
Anyone want to update this article and its template box/timelines with news of the union? — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 07:10, June 7, 2007 (PDT)
