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::Sure, this second position of Augustine’s is in conflict with his usual line. That may just indicate that he had some doubts about his usual position, given that he could find sex that didn’t consciously avoid procreation (and so was motivated by a unitive purpose) acceptable. St Augustine is known to have revised some of his earlier positions.
::Yes, it’s a lazy construction. Perhaps I should remove “there are those who hold the view” and just start the sentence with “that one of sex’s natural purposes…”. I thinks it’s reasonable to append to this dissenting position a statement that no modern bishops or local churches have publicly endorsed such a position. However, I hold this position, as do others I know personally. For this reason I don’t think the statement requires a citation (I’m sure you believe me when I say that I hold this dissenting position and am an Orthodox Christian – or do you need to see my baptismal certificate?). --[[User:Gmharvey|Gmharvey]] ([[User talk:Gmharvey|talk]]) 08:49, June 28, 2018 (UTC)
I believe you. It's just that without sourcing, it sounds like "I and a few people I know believe X." One could say "I know a few Orthodox friends who believe that it's fine to be married and to choose not to have kids solely for selfish reasons." I wouldn't post that, even if true, because I don't see it as a recognizable Orthodox view, even a minority one. Is there a synod, a church father, an Orthodox theologian, etc., who has put forth such a view? Is it recognizable as an Orthodox view, or is it just an opinion that a few Orthodox you know happen to hold? --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] ([[User talk:Fr Lev|talk]]) 11:18, June 29, 2018 (UTC)
==Dissenting position #1==