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Hello, Wsk, and welcome to OrthodoxWiki!

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Photos from Japan

Judging by the age you give the photos, it is likely that their copyright has long expired and they are now in the public domain. You should feel free to scan them in and upload them to the site. Thanks for your work! —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 07:09, 6 Jun 2005 (CDT)


I deleted the duplicate article as you requested.

One other note is that when you did a "move" on the Sandbox, it turned the Sandbox into a redirect to the new article. Additionally, it imported the entire editing history from the Sandbox into your new article. I thought you might like to know that for future reference. In the future, you may wish to create new article projects in the userspace instead, e.g., User:Wsk/Article Name, or just copy and paste the code into the new article, so that redirects and shifted editing histories don't get thrown about. —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 19:54, 7 Jun 2005 (CDT)

Nikolai-do pics

Those photos are fantastic! Thanks for procuring them. Please be sure to add an image license for each one as is appropriate. —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 15:49, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Bishops and links

You're most welcome for the help—it's the standard wiki-protocol!  :)

There are a couple things to note:

  • Links and article names for bishops are in the format Firstname (Surname) of See. The birthname can be noted in the article, but it's not included in the article name. Making links to as-yet-absent articles is also included here, since clicking on those links will lead a user to create an article with that name.
  • Creating wiki-links which link to an article with name A yet display name B are done in the following fashion: [[Name A|Name B]] Thus, if I wanted to link to your userpage without displaying its full name, I would use [[User:Wsk|Wsk]], yielding this: Wsk.

Please take the time to read through the Help:Contents and the OrthodoxWiki:Style Manual for lots of tips on style and technical details. —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 13:36, 25 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Orthodoxy in America template

Great job on making all the "American Saints" on the template blue. You have some very well-researched articles. —magda 16:26, 30 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Sp: Archimandrite/Archmandrite

I've noticed that there seems to be a consistent spelling error in a number of your articles. Just so you know, the word is spelled archimandrite, not archmandrite. (This is not a personal criticism; just trying to let you know!) —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 09:18, 8 Aug 2005 (EDT)

St. Herman's Seminary

I moved the St. Herman's page because the apostrophe was one of those "smart quotes" and the Orthodoxy in America template (among other pages) wasn't picking up on it. Just something to look out for. [[User:Magda|—magda (talk)]] 16:24, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT)


I have no idea how OrthodoxWiki got classified as being "cult/occult" by this particular web-service you mention. It may well be that the word "cult" appears in a number of articles, and so some automatic classification occurred. In any event, if you'd like to contact these folks to let them know the real state of things, feel free. —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 08:10, 16 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Far out wsk! Any follow-up? Fr. John
Thansk Bill for all your notes. I'm glad you're excited about OrthodoxWiki! I've been very happy about all the Japanese Orthodox stuff. I've got a friend who's moving to Japan soon (she's now Orthodox and married to a Japanese Orthodox man), and it's been a blessing to see so much about the Japanese Orthodox Church! - Fr. John

An Overdue Response

Hi again, I wanted to respond to your comments below. Sorry for the delay! Thanks for your support and encouragement for this project, and for talking it up. Please greet Fr. Constantine for me. He probably won't remember, but we met awhile ago. Keep up the good work, and keep thinking big for the site. We need vision! Fr. John 14:11, 8 Sep 2005 (EDT)

By the way, I glad you all have started the OrthodoxWiki site, it's among the things we need to do to 'advertize' Orthodoxy. Now we need to get the word out to our people. I attend St Nicholas in Washington and have mentioned the site to a number of 'outward looking' people, but I need to do more. Bill Kosar

Japanese Orthodox

Wow, great work Bill. Where do you find this stuff? Fr. John
P.S. I had the pleasure of serving with Fr. Dennis in Chicago yesterday.

Canadian OCA Hierarchs

Here are a couple of links for succession boxes: list of Canadian bishops and a history of the Archdiocese of Canada (OCA). —magda (talk) 09:10, November 12, 2005 (CST)

Bringing together the pages...

Hi Bill,

I've put Template:Orthodoxyinjapan on all the pages about Japanese Orthodoxy I could find, and also put everything together into Category:Orthodoxy in Japan. I would be grateful if you could write a brief introduction on the category page, then I would like to submit the whole category as a featured article to showcase some of the unique information we have here on OrthodoxWiki. How does all that sound? Thanks! Fr. John

P.S. It would also be wonderful, if you have a chance, if you could work on Timeline of Orthodoxy in Japan. It doesn't have to be extensive, but it would be nice to have something up. Thanks!

Category link

Hi Bill, thanks for bringing this up -- I've added the category to the image. This can be done by going to the image page, clicking edit and adding [[Category:Japanese Orthodox Images]] anywhere in the text of the page. By the way, signatures use a tilde rather than a "'". Hope that helps, and thanks for your work! Fr. John 12:18, December 5, 2005 (CST)

Category:Orthodoxy in Japan

Just so you know, when you add the {{orthodoxyinjapan}} template to an article, :Category:Orthodoxy in Japan automatically gets added, so there's no need to include it separately. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 09:57, January 5, 2006 (CST)

Uninhabited islands

I would propose that we take uninhabited islands off the template altogether, and delete those pages... Sorry this comes after your work. —magda (talk) 20:25, January 7, 2006 (CST)

Thanks for your help. —magda (talk) 10:18, January 12, 2006 (CST)

Parish Directory (USA)

Invitation to join discussion at Category talk:Parish Directory (USA). —magda (talk) 11:00, January 31, 2006 (CST)

Ordain / Ordination

When making links, please try to link to the actual article title and not to a redirect. Articles are usually titled as nouns (ordination), rather than verbs (ordain). Some can be tricky, of course, like tonsure, in which the noun and verb form are the same. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 17:22, April 22, 2006 (CDT)

Photos from St. Nicholas in DC

The photos you've uploaded recently of liturgical hardware you note as being "courtesy" of the catehdral in DC, yet you also have them listed as being copyrighted by you (that is, you own the photos). If they're yours, then the "courtesy" should probably be worded some other way (e.g. "Thanks to so-and-so for allowing this photo to be taken" or something like that). "Courtesy" in this context usually means that someone else owns the photo and is letting you use it, so if the cathedral owns those photos, then to put your own name on them for the copyright would be inaccurate. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 15:15, May 7, 2006 (CDT)

Edward of England

There are, AFAIK, only two sainted Edwards in English history, and only one was a martyr. (Edward the Confessor died peacefully.) The Sept. 3 feast is of the translation of the relics of Edward the Martyr. —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 15:41, May 28, 2006 (CDT)

1917-18 Council article

Why not mention this on the article's talk page? I'm sure a collaboration is possible. —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 16:48, June 11, 2006 (CDT)

I read the sandbox article, I have not problem if you replace the stub I posted with an actual article. Andrew 10:20, June 12, 2006 (CDT)

Sysop Invite

Dear Bill,

I'd like to invite you to become an OrthodoxWiki sysop. This doesn't require much more time or commitment than you've already demonstrated. You'd be part of our ultra-secret OrthodoxWiki Sysop email list, where we work together to battle wiki-evil and talk about various issues affecting the life of OrthodoxWiki, and once in awhile bounce around ideas about its future. Also, you'd have superpowers on the wiki, allowing you to intervene in edit wars, and otherwise better manage articles. Finally, you'd be a reference point for other users - welcoming them in the name of OrthodoxWiki, and helping folks get the hang of the OrthodoxWiki style. Let me know if you'd like to accept this mission by leaving a note on my talk page or emailing me directly. Thanks, — FrJohn (talk)

Royal/Holy Doors

Hey, sorry about the rude reversion of your change to the Classification of Feasts article. I should have edited it and provided an explanation rather than just using the rollback feature. I wasn't thinking.

The proper name for the doors leading from the nave to the altar is "holy doors". The "royal doors" are actually the doors leading from the narthex to the nave. It is a popular misnomer to call the "holy doors" royal. —Dcn. David talk contribs 23:03, August 11, 2006 (CDT)

Dcn. David, I can't help but think there's more to the story than that. I think here is a good place to push for primary sources and a solid historical account - though it might be more than we can take on at the moment! It seems to me that the conflation of "royal" to holy (after the collapse of the Empire?) also has a layer of symbolic meaning which goes beyond a "popular misnomer." Fr. John
It is interesting that this question came up. We are plagued with numerous names being applied to various Orthodox expressions. Besides our different languages in use, we are also confronted with the names from the Western Christian world. Of course this makes consistency difficult in such a place as Orthodoxwiki. I have been trying to settle the many empty articles under the 'wanted' article and noticed the appearance of Holy Doors and Royal Doors - that I usually use - so the changes! As my knowledge on many of the open articles is very low, having articles and corrections to articles by 'authorities, more than from Wikipedia, would be nice.
I planned to have, at least the empty Door articles, redirected to the Iconostasis article as an immediate improvement. It at least gives a overview and thus a simple explanation. I whole heartly agree with Fr John that we need to travel toward better authories writing articles on many of the complicated subjects, especially better than me!Wsk 20:08, August 12, 2006 (CDT)

Request Photo Use for Wikipedia

Hi, I'm part of a group of users over on Wikipedia who working on importing articles from the Catholic Encyclopedia. The article I'm working on now is about the aër. I noticed that the article here on OrthodoxWiki (Aer) has a picture you provided (Image:Aer_on_a_Chalice_and_Discos.jpg). I would love to be able to include the picture in the article on Wikipedia as well, but notice that the copyright only allows it to be used on this site. Would you mind granting permission for it's use on Wikipedia as well? Thanks, Kylef81 (wp) Kylef81 19:26, August 17, 2006 (CDT)

Just something to keep in mind - Wikipedia doesn't really want closed-license photos, no? Would this mean that you're asking Wsk to reissue it under the GFDL (or at least a CC license)? — FrJohn (talk)
Kyle and Fr. John; I've changes the copywrite notice of the Aer image to GFDL so that Kyle can use it. Fr. John, I'll be changing the other images as I have some time. Wsk 12:10, August 19, 2006 (CDT)
Thanks! I've added the image to the article on Wikipedia. Kylef81 13:24, August 19, 2006 (CDT)


I'm not really back. Just fixing a few things I noticed. —Dcn. Andrew talk contribs 15:10, October 9, 2006 (CDT)


Do you want to help me with my wiki wikireligion? There are a lot of articles that need to be made. --Sir James Paul 17:28, February 4, 2007 (PST)

This may seem like a little bit of a odd question but do you have a wikipedia, meta wiki, wikiquote, witionary, wikispecies, or wikipedia simple english account? I feel as if I have seen you somewhere other than here. Have a nice week and god bless you and every one you know:) --James, La gloria e a dio 16:52, March 17, 2007 (PDT)--Sir James Paul 16:52, March 17, 2007 (PDT)

Empress article titles

It seems to me that the simplest and most direct way is best. "Irene of Athens" would probably work fairly well, I guess, and for the other, I would choose "Theodora (9th century empress)". —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 15:17, April 15, 2007 (PDT)

Accept Revised?

Dear Wsk,

There's been a request to use some of your edited content on Wikipedia. Would you mind putting the Acceptrevised template on your user page to clarify the copyright (you can add it like this: {{acceptrevised}}? That would be very helpful! Thanks, — FrJohn (talk) 08:54, April 25, 2007 (PDT)

OCA links

Again, great job on another new article! In case you're interested, the way I get the specific saint URL from the OCA site: click on the main page to open the new little window. Then right-click on that window and select (something like) "View Page Info." From there you can select the URL, and delete the extraneous information. For instance, I've bolded the extra stuff here (which I usually remove):, but you can tell that the FSID (Feast-Saint ID, I would think) is the part which points to the specific page you want. —magda (talk) 18:47, September 9, 2007 (PDT)


Hi! Thanks for assisting me on one of my articles (Mantamados) ... Nice to meet you. I read your Bio and am excited to know of someone who has visited Antarctica! Your wife Lydia is very cute too :-) Vasiliki 14:21, January 21, 2008 (PST)


Thanks for the vote of confidence. I still think I try to be too much of a grammarian at times, though! I always look forward to reading the new articles you contribute because they're sure to be well done. Gabriela 06:46, February 6, 2008 (PST)


Hey, should we really have an article on someone as satanic and evil as he is when this is an orthodox site? Perhaps make the article balance with the orthodox thinking on his behaviour? Vasiliki 19:28, March 24, 2008 (PDT)

Thank you for your detailed and kind response ... I didnt realise he had such influence on the Royal family and was also opposed by two hierarchs ... and also the point u present about good and bad makes sence ... I should jump my gun but its always good to ask I suppose becuase it teaches you another point of view - Thanks! If i come across something juicy about him ...I am certain that I will add it in. Vasiliki 14:45, March 25, 2008 (PDT)
@Vasiliki I believe you doesn't have all the information. "..someone as satanic and evil as he" is just a piece of secular anti-Russian and ANTICHRISTIANIC propaganda, based on dirty political purposes and not on facts. I can search for some materials to show you (I've read about Rasputin holiness many times in Church sources but don't keep exactly references in memory) - surely if you please.

["Category: St. Vladimir's Seminary"]

Hi, hope you dont mind ... I changed the category a little so as to make it a sub-Category of Category:Graduates which in turn is a Sub-category of Category:Theology. This gives room to add "graduates" from other "Seminaries" :-) What you think? -- Vasiliki 01:30, June 18, 2008 (UTC)

Wsk's category parallels an existing set of categories (e.g., Category:Theological School of Halki Graduates), which are all subsets of Category:People and Category:Seminaries. (This is a case of "Check existing structures first, please!") SVS itself doesn't have any other articles about it, so it really doesn't need a category all its own. Having one for its graduates works fine, though, just as it does for Halki. That is, why have two layers of categories when there only needs to be one? I've reverted these changes. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 11:22, June 18, 2008 (UTC)

starting categories

Just putting the category link in the article kind of starts the category, but the wiki will still complain the category does not exist. Just edit the category's empty page as if it were an article, and it will then exist. I sometimes add a description, but most of the time I just add a category link on the category page making it a sub category to another category. That's it. Hope that helps, - Andy 19:29, July 24, 2008 (UTC)

Active appeal

There's currently an active appeal over at OrthodoxWiki talk:Administrators. If as an admin, you would like to participate, please feel free to do so. Thanks! —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 16:02, August 19, 2008 (UTC)


I am quite far from being any kind of expert - I'm pretty well just going to the patriarchal website at this point. I do have a level of interest, though, and this is something I'd like to cultivate. — by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 15:05, August 28, 2008 (UTC)

a book review

Wsk, I was cleaning up a book review at the same time you were deleting it. Sacred light: Following the paschal journey, Should I delete it? There are other book reviews here. - Andy 12:19, September 16, 2008 (UTC)

I suppose it is a fine line between book review and ad for a book. - Andy 19:19, September 16, 2008 (UTC)

Thank U for the work you do

I am not the site owner but I am sure that if awards could be given to the most hard-woring Users on Orthodoxwiki there would be three to give out: you, Wsk and ASDamick! I wanted to pause at this point in my OrthodoxWiki career and acknowledge the efforts of those people who really do put a lot of time and effort into keeping OW alive and say Thank you for the work and time you put into making the articles rewarding!!! Vasiliki 03:54, January 20, 2009 (UTC)

Military Martyrs

The following list:

lists military martyrs. If you had time, perhaps you could incorporate information from that site into our equivalent OrthodoxWiki articles? or a link to that site? Please note that the pages for each martyr are at varying stages of construction. Vasiliki 23:52, May 25, 2009 (UTC)

Google map

Whether do you know how to justify google map image on the right side of a page (see Mochalny island). Regards, Ruar-from-T

Deleting absurd redirects

Delete please redirects created after spamming renaming:,

Bishops of Japan

Wsk, Thanks. Grouping bishops by their “see” (city) seemed easy, I would just look at the succession boxes and add categories. But it turned out some bishops were titled by country, and some had titular titles. Also, as you mentioned, there were already categories such as “Metropolitans of Japan”. There is “Metropolitans of Poland” overlapping with “Bishops of Warsaw”, “Metropolitans of the Czech Lands and Slovakia” overlapping with “Bishops of Prague”. There is also “Patriarchs of Moscow” overlapping with “Bishops of Kiev”.

I guess it needs cleaning up. As for Japan, “Metropolitans of …” is a good category grouping, as long as the category header explains that they my not all be Metropolitans if so. Would you go with "Metropolitans of Tokyo" or "Japan"? - Andy 13:05, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Church house

Dear Wsk! Thank you for your edits in the article Anatoly Chistousov. However I'm afraid that you didn't understand the meaning of certain words. When I wrote "church house" I meant not the church, not the building of the temple, but a house, which stands on the parish land, belongs to the parish, and which is used (in usual time) for household needs . I used combination of words "church house" as literal translation for russian "церковный дом (tserkovny dom)", as I just don't know how is right to translate it in english (may be as parish house?). --Stone18 15:29, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I've tought and decided to write "parish home". It seems to me that a home, which was built to be used in usual time as (for random example) a kitchen for paish members and similar is not equivalent of Domus Ecclesia --Stone18 20:41, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Images and Category Question

Hi Wsk! I was wondering if I could get your thoughts on a couple of things :)

First, it appears that the uploading of images is currently broken, or disabled. See here, the Gallery of New Image Files; some of your own uploads are also not showing the image there. I had left a note at the OrthodoxWiki Trapeza here regarding this error some time ago, but it has gone unanswered and the problem is not resolved. If I am missing something (or if it is my computer alone perhaps), apologies in advance, however I thought I would ask at least one person about the images / thumbnails error. Any ideas? Is it broken or disabled, and how to proceed loading pictures for future articles if so ? Who is in charge of correcting this programming error?

Second, I would appreciate your opinion on the naming of a new category I would like to create, to group all of the Western Saints of the Orthodox Church. I also raised this on the Trapeza, here: Proposed Category re:Saints with no feedback as of yet. I am in favor of following the pattern used on ROCOR's Orthodox England website, where they name these saints: “Latin Saints of the Orthodox Patriarchate of Rome”. Since OW is stated to be from the Orthodox perspective, I think it is approriate we use this terminology to exactly define these saints by time and place. In addition, they deserve a category of their own. Any thoughts?

Many thanks, and congratulations for all your dedicated hard work sir. Cheers, :) Chris. Angellight 888 21:47, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Jacob of Sarug

Hi Wsk, I was wondering if perhaps you can read Russian? There is a Russian Orthodox Encyclopedia, which had a comprehensive looking article on Jacob of Serugh, here: Иаков Саругский.
If perhaps you can translate this, and add the relevant info to our own biographical entry on Jacob of Sarug that would be great. I thought I would at least ask. If not, would you know of anyone else who can translate Russian, and might be interested in this task? Cheers, Angellight 888 00:48, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Help at uploading a file

I'd like to upload this file from Wikipedia for the new article, but uploading failed for unknown reason. Ask to help. --Stone18 11:29, April 3, 2012 (HST) You probably haven't understood me. i'm not going to copy full page [1], i want to upload only the picture from it, i.e. to OwikiCommons, but the uploading is failed, probably is it temporary bugs of the OWiki server? Then I shall try later --Stone18 07:08, April 4, 2012 (HST)


Hi Wsk, I'm looking for responses for my proposal (to delete the parish directory pages for Australia) on - your thoughts? — by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 19:14, January 31, 2013 (HST)