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Brevity and "Name" sections
Hello! Thanks for all the contributions you've recently been making. I have a concern about the "Name" sections you've been adding to various saints' articles -- they're often being put right at the beginning, before the "Life" sections, which indicates that the meaning of the saint's name is of more encyclopedic importance than his life. Additionally, they're often moderately extensive sections, a paragraph or more.
I think if you'll take a look at encyclopedias such as the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church or the Blackwell Dictionary of Eastern Christianity, or any other encyclopedia, you'll find that etymology usually only takes up perhaps a few words in parentheses after the initial name of the entry, e.g., Stephen the Protomartyr (Gk. stephanos, "crown").
I'd strongly recommend that you take a look at these stylistically standard sources when editing articles to get a sense of the standards that we've been using on OrthodoxWiki for the past few years. Thanks! —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 10:40, January 17, 2008 (PST)
- Hello, thanks for the entry on the Taxiarchis icon; I read a longer account of this once but cannot locate it at present; regarding the title of the Mantamados article, as far as I am aware the name of the icon is primarily “Taxiarchis” (Archangel) Michael" but the main entry here is listed as that of the village; and you have included two titles for this entry; if the name of the village is commonly associated with the icon, then I suggest perhaps the title be moved to "Archangel Michael of Mantamados (Taxiarchis)". Just a suggestion for clarity. This would put the title more in line with other entries for key icons, such as those of the Theotokos, and also include the other common reference to this icon, the Taxiarchis. Cheers. —Chris talk 9:10, January 20, 2008 (EST)
- Hi Chris, yes the area is Mantammados but most Greek people actually name the icon as "Mantammados" as a stand alone nickname or pet reference ... We do not usually refer to the entire phrase Archangel Michael Taxiarchis of Mantammados ... its a 'nickname'. Just like the "Panormitis" icon (my article tomorrow) ... we dont call the icon ..the Taxiarchis of Symi the Panormitis, he is more commonly referred to as 'Panormitis' and known this way. Since I am not here on Orthodwiki long enough, do you still suggest that the article be moved anyway? Also, I dont know how to move the article ... I am happy either way, as long as the information is available for people to learn ... -- Vasiliki 18:35, January 20, 2008 (PST)
Vasiliki, feel free to send me an e-mail with them if you want, but I make no claim to being the editor-in-chief of Australasian articles - that's just my major interest and, well, where I live. As an aside, I'm fairly sure I met the sister you're talking about at last year's National Youth Conference in Brisbane.
The biggest thing missing from the Gorgoepikoos article is a history of its formation, closely followed by future plans for development, and perhaps a personal history of Mother Kallistheni - the Pantanassa Monastery article and the article on Elder Stephanos is the best example for what I would look for if I was doing it - but, the beauty of Orthodox Wiki (and all wiki encyclopedias) is that collectively we make better articles. BTW, even if a complete botch is made, it's not hard to look at the page history - feel free and encouraged to edit profusely! :D — edited by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 17:04, January 20, 2008 (PST)
- Hi Pistevo, I believe you have met his sister then, since she was at the Brisbane conference :-) As for the Geelong Monastery, when next I visit, I will plan to sit down with Mother Kalistheni and get her blessing for this information. I know the story but I dont want to upload it without her blessing. BTW, how do I email you? Vasiliki 17:12, January 20, 2008 (PST)
- Hi, I thought copyright is attributed to an image taken by someones own camera ... so, you need their permission. This image of the saint is taken from www.imr.gr but it does not belong to them since its been around for a very long time on the web. I thought if an image has been around for a while on the web its ok to use... another thing, most of my other images are scans of my own personal pictures at home. Should we take this image off the page then? -- Vasiliki 13:44, January 31, 2008 (PST)
- If you did not take this picture with your own camera and put it online, or did not specifically get permission to use the image you found online, OrthodoxWiki does not have permission to use it. If you have obtained permission to use this image from the original website, you can add that information to the image page on OrthodoxWiki. See Help:Image licenses for more information. —magda (talk) 14:27, January 31, 2008 (PST)
- Hi, I read through the Wikipedia article on Fair Use. It says that you may use copyrighted images of the Intranet provided they are reporduced as Thumbnails at 80 x 200 pixels. -- 14:47, January 31, 2008 (PST)
- The Wikipedia article on fair use does mention the use of thumbnails, but the linked article on thumbnails indicates that the court case was specific to Internet search engines. The current use of the image is larger than 80x200 pixels. The beginning of the OrthodoxWiki Help:Image licenses page states: "All images should be tagged with information about their copyright/licensing status and source. It is illegal for us to use images on OrthodoxWiki for which we do not have permission or which are not usable under the fair use provisions of United States copyright law.Images which do not conform to policy are subject to immediate deletion. Merely noting the image's source is not enough. There must be verifiable permission given for OrthodoxWiki's use of the image. It is your responsibility as the uploader to ensure that the image may be used and is tagged as properly licensed." I know it's a huge pain, but if we keep track of these things as we upload images, it's much better for OrthodoxWiki to be as correct as we can. Thank you for your help in taking responsibility for the files you upload. —magda (talk) 15:49, January 31, 2008 (PST)
I am very much enjoying reading your contributions. I did want to point out that when you add an external link, I find that there is an extra / added to the end, which doesn't let the link work. Copying the URL directly from the browser is often the best way to get a link and make sure it works. —magda (talk) 20:17, February 11, 2008 (PST)
- Hi, its nice to get some positive feedback cause sometimes I feel like I have been a nuisance rather than a help ... I tend to upload lots of little articles and then complete them later. When I take time I can put together a reasonable article, I think, but I am still not very aware of all the editing tricks so its really good having you guys go in and proof read - it is such an amazing experience to revisit an article after someone has added various links, reworded etc ... it makes an article look real! Thanks. -- Vasiliki 20:22, February 11, 2008 (PST)
- As long as you're genuinely willing to learn, adapt and work here, you don't have to worry about being a nuisance. If folks comment on your editing, they're just trying to save you (and themselves!) work, to raise the quality of editing being done here. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 11:43, February 12, 2008 (PST)
"Quick to Hear" icon
I don't know much about the icon other than that it originally came from Mt. Athos. Perhaps you may wish to contact St. Tikhon's to ask them. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 04:18, February 13, 2008 (PST)
- I was bored and clicked on a link on your User page ... I feel bad because I sorta have been replying to you as if you were female ...so, like ... sorry! (ouch) ... oh, there was one comment I was going to make last week to refer to you, me and Magda as 'sisters' - as a joke. Thank God i didnt! LOL -- Vasiliki 18:03, February 17, 2008 (PST)
Before I head out for the night, I thought I would pass along some links I find helpful:
- Orthodox Research Institute listing of hierarchs (in three parts, accessible by the letters at the top)
And I wanted to remind you that usually we don't include contact information on the OrthodoxWiki articles, especially if that information is included in an external link. That way, we don't have to worry about updating or mistyping the information: the link does all the work for us. Have fun! —magda (talk) 21:53, February 18, 2008 (PST)