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Howdy! You may have noticed that when you include your signature in Talk pages that all text following it is shrunk and supertitled. You need to include a '''<nowiki></nowiki>''' at the end of it! :) —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] 06:05, January 22, 2008 (PST)

== [[Double-headed Eagle]] ==

WOW! Thanks for all those amazing additions to the article... you really have helped give it justice! So much so its already had 101 hits and its been on the OW for only 24 hours! This is an example of when I wreckon we all pull in information as a team to give an article some good ooomph! [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 03:39, April 24, 2008 (UTC)

== ALITHOS ANESTI ==

Thank you, I hope that your experience of easter was exactly that it was meant to be - Christ Risen in our hearts, so that we can truthfully say, truly indeed He is Risen! [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 22:50, April 27, 2008 (UTC)

==Sub-Saharan Orthodoxy==

Concerning your question to Father Andrew about the African Orthodox Church you might read the article [[Orthodoxy in Sub-Saharan Africa]]. It provides an over of these early times. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 00:43, July 5, 2008 (UTC)

== Africa ==

Howdy! [[User:Hayesstw|Hayesstw]] is the expert on the group in question. They did eventually become Orthodox. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 02:04, July 5, 2008 (UTC)

== Romanity versus Ecumenism ==

I would be interested to find out your thoughts on the following two e-book(s):

* [http://www.oodegr.com/english/biblia/romiosyni/perieh.htm/ Romanity or Barbarity?]

* [http://www.romanitas.ru/eng/THE%20RESTORATION%20OF%20ROMANITY.htm/ Restoration of Romanity]

[[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 04:42, November 5, 2008 (UTC)

== The big Timeline ==

Go for it. Unfortunately, right now I don't have the time for any major editing (have some big writing projects here at the cathedral), but I hope to sometime in the future. Thanks for all your help. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 03:35, December 21, 2008 (UTC)

== UR fantastic ==

Chris, you are fantastic ..thank you for all the work you have put into the Greek timeline ... I must confess, you asked me a question about the early Christian church and a reference to some books ... I havent had a chance to help u on this one it has been a crazy few days. I need to visit our library to look at what historical books might shed some light on the question. It is interesting that many westerners dont see Greek as a valuable contribution to early Orthodoxy - ROFL. It quite scares me that life is getting too - prove it to me, it kinds loses the romance of blind faith. But when in Rome do as the Romans do ... this is the century God places me in! :) [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 09:38, January 4, 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks Vasiliki appreciate it hope we can generate some good information together for this. Yes, this is the century we are all in! Cheers [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 02:31, January 5, 2009 (UTC)

== Thank you for all your hard work ==

I am not the site owner but I am sure that if awards could be given to the most hard-woring Users on Orthodoxwiki there would be three to give out: you, Wsk and ASDamick! I wanted to pause at this point in my OrthodoxWiki career and acknowledge the efforts of those people who really do put a lot of time and effort into keeping OW alive and say Thank you for the work and time you put into making the articles rewarding!!! [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 03:53, January 20, 2009 (UTC)

== Timeline of History of the Church of Russia ==

You are more than welcome to start working on that one as well as me ... I am just going through various Russian articles and trying to pick up the basic dates that relate to Saints and to Hierarchs ..nothing more otherwise it will get too complex. Besides I dont believe in including political history since it isnt CHURCH history ... [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 06:55, May 22, 2009 (UTC)

: Thanks Vasikili :) Once I finish going through the historical info for the Timeline of Orthodoxy in China, I will try to have a look at it. In regards to political history, I do agree with you, however it is often very difficult to give an accurate historical understanding of a topic if you are ignorant of some of the more important surrounding events; the Church militant of course does not exist on this earth in a vaccum, separate from everything around it, and its growth and function has often been controlled in the past by situations completely out of its own control. If on the other hand we were writing a theological article, or something about the Church Triumphant, that again would be a different story. Regarding complexity, if the article cannot impart a flowing historical naarative of factual events detailing the growth of the church in that country/region, it does not really impart much edifying info I think; a list of saints and patriarchs can be found elsewhere as well. As with the main Timeline of Church History, it will take much work, time, research and group effort by everyone to make it a meaningful piece! But good job for starting it!! My two (or three) cents! Cheers! :):) [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 01:57, May 23, 2009 (UTC)

::You misunderstood me (which is my fault not yours) and I agree with you there are elements of history that are important ... its hard ~(for me) to pick when (I) can go too far and what is relevant. No, what I was trying to say is if we can (stage 1) develop the Russian article without the political history so that we can capture all the Saints and the Patriarchs first ... when we are confident with that information THEN move to (stage 2) weave political/historical elements ...??? I am using the same approach for the British history ... [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 02:47, May 23, 2009 (UTC)

==Timeline of History of Britain==

Hey, I wanted to ask you a question not to be difficult but so that I can understand. The Table of Contents suggestion that you made shows a lot of experience and knowledge on your behalf. I trust it. But I have MY concerns with going with the predictable headings ... I thought the idea of creating historical timelines is about the ORTHODOX perspective and not the rest of the world perspective ... if you create those particular headings you are tailoring the article to the rest of the world .. not to how ORTHODOXY developed and changed. Example, Roman Period implies that the Romans held a period in Britain during that time when the APOSTLES went their ... not Romans! Thoughts? Do you get me? I hope you do. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:24, May 25, 2009 (UTC)

: Hi Vaso, yes I definitely get what are saying, and you have a point. However -- Orthodoxy developed and changed in great Britain within those greater periods that I identified earlier, such as "Roman Britain (43-410)". The Timeline articles on OW try to have the periods separated acording to major watershed events related to or of the Church; however this is not always possible to do this with some histories, and in those cases the larger historical period is what should be referred to in order to give shape to that era, and the events that happened in that era. As regards the Timeline of Orthodoxy in Britain, I have done this on at least 2 occassions in my proposal: the break at 597 AD, is referenced by a new era, and of course the break at 1066 AD is also referenced by a new era - both times are important dates in the history of the Orthodox Church in England. The listing for "Roman Britain" is again valid I think, as that was the empire / gov't of the day until 410 and the church developed in that environment. Beyond that, as you yourself stated, post 1066 AD Britain was increasingly Roman Catholic and later Anglican and Protestant. Perhaps you could come up with a unique name for a era in the twentieth century (with dates), when for instance, all the various Orthodox Jurisdictions created their eparchies / dioceses; even if we do that (which I agree would be a nice way to organize it) I think it would best be done as a subheading within the greater British periods I have outlined, a blend of both modes. Besides, it can always be modified. If you have no objections, I will proceed with the outline I suggested for the eras. Let me know. Cheers! :) [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 23:56, May 25, 2009 (UTC)

::I am not in a position to argue :) I would PREFER however if you can work on the Russian article instead ... that would give me a chance to work on Britain (in terms of adding) the dates for the Saints and for the Hierarchs ... by keeping it 'simple" I can add all of those .. and THEN you can take all that information and edit it (at a later date) ..good compromise? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:17, May 26, 2009 (UTC)

:::Will try to get to the Russian article soon, however I am still covering some of the history for the Chinese article; I would like to cover that completely before I move on. You can still work on the British article, even if I add the eras now; I think having the eras there will help you shape it better in the short term. Let me know. [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 00:23, May 26, 2009 (UTC)

::::MY AIM will be to populate with as much information as I can ... the accuracy of the headings is not a huge detail for me at this point as it is to get information in ... as for the jurisdictions ... I have a few contacts in England that I am waiting to consult - shortly! I would prefer to populate the article and then edit the information. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 03:59, May 26, 2009 (UTC)

== Abbreviations ==

Regarding [http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AASDamick&diff=85883&oldid=84980 your comment on my Talk page], while I do think that's a handy reference, I don't think having a whole page or even section dedicated to it on OrthodoxWiki is warranted. OW is not a reference source for the details of RC organization.

Alternatively, perhaps an [[OrthodoxWiki:Research help]] page (or something like that) might be compiled to give editors pointers on proper citations and style, etc., as well as including some handy links (such as the one you mention) to help in deciphering sources. —[[User:ASDamick|Fr. Andrew]] [[User_talk:ASDamick|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|contribs]] ('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''') 15:27, July 11, 2009 (UTC)

:Many thanks Father. I thought so, just wanted to check. The Research help page is a great idea, will look into that soon. Cheers, Chris. [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 17:08, July 12, 2009 (UTC).

== Question ==

What is correctly for English: Metropolis or Metropolia? --[[User:Imerek|Imerek]] 16:52, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

:Hi. Metropolis would be the better English usage. Glad to see you working on the Russia Timeline artcle. Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 18:25, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

==Images and Category Question==

Hi, Chris! Two good questions! Regarding the pictures and uploading, I'm at a loss. I noticed it when I uploaded the picture of the Nagoya church, but put it off as that someone in the know would correct the problem. But, I notice that even Father John has tried uploading with the same results - bad! I assumed (bad assumption) he would have picked up on the error. As the owner of the site, I had thought of raising the problem with him directly, as I would expect he has access to the technical side. Beyond that I don't know what is the problem or how to get it corrected. I guess I'm no help!!

Concerning the category. I noticed your original posting, and frankly couldn't come up with a position. I had noticed the Orthodox England site and found it useful. I guess I'm stuck, in part, with saying "Western", as what would that really mean! Pre-schism all saints were "Orthodox" and I looked at the Orthodox England site as highlighting what we in the "East" have generally over looked. So, would "Western" means the saints that Orthodox England has highlighted, or something else. I could see "Western" being interpreted as being something like "Western Hemisphere". I think I have been influenced by the comment, some time ago, about the ethnic attachments to the saint categories and what that may mean! I think we need some categorization for the saints, as there are thousands. But, I think we need some sort of categorization that doesn't imply some sort of "ownership" issues. And that I just haven't been able to come up with!!

You've done an excellent job on the time lines. A few high level dates are all that I could handle! Bill. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 00:11, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

== Image Issue ==

Hi Angellight, please see my reply on my discussion page. Thanks. — [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 07:29, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

==New Template==

A proposed template....work in progress...

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[[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 00:07, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

==Russian translation==

Hi Angellight: Sorry, I don't know Russian other than using the "machine" translators such as Google translate. Depending on the language the translator can do a reasonable job, but some such as Finnish can be rough. I don't know anyone that I can call on for translating, so I can't recommend anyone. Bill [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 01:47, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

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