Talk:Timeline of Orthodoxy in America
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"Although school children are no longer taught that Christopher Columbus discovered America, what they are not told - and what is not generally known - is that the first European to set foot on the New World was an Orthodox Christian, some five hundred years before the Roman Catholic Genoan. Who was he? ..." "Orthodox America. Orthodox Christians in North America 1000 Years Ago" by Priest Andrew Phillips
- Interesting reference. I don't think it really makes sense to say he was Orthodox and not Roman Catholic at this point, still before the excommunications in Constantinople, much less before the consciousness of a schism would've reached the northern lands. — FrJohn (talk)
# 1972 OCA receives the Mexican National Catholic Church, creating its Exarchate of Mexico and adding another parallel Orthodox jurisdiction in Mexico.
Perhaps I missed the original Orthodox jurisdiction in Mexico being referenced by this statement; it does not appear earlier in the timeline, unless I missed it. In any case, it should be identified by name, it seems to me, and the language here "sanitized" a bit. It's difficult to avoid slanting discussion of American Orthodox history toward or away from the Orthodox Church in America, but it can be done by letting the facts speak for themselves without phantom swipes at her legitmacy.
- I believe that at least the EP and Antioch were in Mexico prior to 1972. Antioch was there by at least 1943 (if I'm reading correctly). In any event. I do think you're right about the "swipiness" of the language. (And I probably wrote it!) Fixed. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 17:19, February 20, 2006 (CST)
- I haven't seen it published anywhere, but a couple of the folks from that situation are now here at St. Tikhon's and have told me about it. —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 15:14, July 9, 2006 (CDT)
Orthodoxy in the Americas
Presently this timeline addresses events in North America. Since the presence of Orthodoxy is increasing in South America should we include those events in this timeline, with a re-titling to Orthodoxy in the Americas. Wsk 18:13, December 26, 2008 (UTC)
- America is a funny word. I think most people use it to mean the USA almost exclusively, while it has a kind of academic existence to refer to NA and SA.
- I think perhaps rather than renaming and expanding this article, perhaps we should start a separate Orthodoxy in South America series, including a timeline. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 20:11, December 26, 2008 (UTC)
- If "America" is usually used exclusively for the USA, and the timeline discusses events in Canada too, should the article be retitled to include all of North America? Steorra 05:07, December 27, 2008 (UTC)
I agree that using the word "America" has many connotations. When I wrote my initial comments, the thought also came to mind that perhaps two articles may be desirable in the event its length were to become too long. Perhaps a "north" and "south" divide may be the way to go. I would go for the this "north" - "south" divide as it would get around the difficulties of the citizens of those countries who also consider themselves "American", as in the American continents. In my younger days I remember many in South America were disturbed by this USA use and would refer to "Americans'" as "Norte Americanos."
In this vain our references to "Orthodoxy in Asia", when we talk mainly about the eastern part of Asia, forgets that Christianity started in Asia - the Churches of Antioch and Jerusalem are "Asian" and a large part of the church of Constantinople is also Asian. Some time ago I altered the "Orthodoxy in Asia" banner to read "East Asia" and I haven't heard any comments on this modification. As Orthodoxwiki expands our naming conventions could cause some confusion. Wsk 20:51, December 27, 2008 (UTC)