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== Timeline of Orthodoxy or Timeline of Religion ==
Hi ... I want to question how much of this information is infact relevant to Orthodox related Christianity? I was going through the wealth of (really really well researched and hard work) but I question some of the information as NOT relevant to Chalcedonean ... in my opinion, this timeline keeps taking on a catholic slant ... Im sorry I dont want to offend because there is a lot of hard work in pulling this together which I as a user really really appreciate. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 23:39, May 25, 2008 (UTC)
: No offense at all! As noted in the "Notes" section at the bottom of the article, "This timeline is necessarily biased toward the history of the Orthodox Church, though a number of non-Orthodox events are mentioned for their importance in history related to Orthodoxy." Certainly, if this were to be a "Timeline of Religion," the article would need to undergo a massive expansion.
: Do you feel that there has become an imbalance in the number of non-Orthodox events included? —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 14:06, May 30, 2008 (UTC)
== Large page ==
[[Timeline_of_Church_History|This page]] can only be edited in sections, if you edit the entire page as one, it blanks out. - [[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 17:39, July 11, 2008 (UTC)
== Proposed re-structuring of "Timeline of Church History" ==
Perhaps its time that the article was composed of a series of "sub" articles? One such structure I propose is as follows:
* [[Timeline of Church History/New Testament era]]
* [[Timeline of Church History/Apostolic era (33-100)]]
* [[Timeline of Church History/Ante-Nicene era (100-325)]]
* [[Timeline of Church History/Nicene era (325-451)]]
* [[Timeline of Church History/Byzantine era (451-843)]]
* [[Timeline of Church History/Late Byzantine era (843-1453)]]
* [[Timeline of Church History/Post-Imperial era (1453-1821)]]
* [[Timeline of Church History/Modern era (1821-1917)]]
* [[Timeline of Church History/Communist era (1917-1991)]]
* [[Timeline of Church History/Post-Communist era (1991-Present)]]
If you want a Template "header" specific to 10 sub-articles, if that is what you all think is a good idea, I am more than happy to set one up for you (know that I have figured out how to create the "previous" key :-) You all know my email, give me a buzz if you want help.
-- [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 02:40, July 17, 2008 (UTC)
: I, for one, am not in favor of breaking this article up. (Using "/" sub-articles is not how one would do it here, in any event.) I think it mainly needs to be trimmed of extraneous material that is not of great historical significance.
: In any event, I do hope that there is some way to fix the technical problem which results from trying to edit the article in anything but a section at a time. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 18:54, July 17, 2008 (UTC)
How about something in between, keep it displayed as one page, but edit it as separate pages. In the same way we include templates, we can include sub pages onto the main page. Put the information text in the in the ten “sub-articles” just for editing purposes, and have the main article include the text as:
<pre>
{{:Timeline of Church History/New Testament era}}
{{:Timeline of Church History/Apostolic era (33-100)}}
{{:Timeline of Church History/Ante-Nicene era (100-325)}}
{{:Timeline of Church History/Nicene era (325-451)}}
{{:Timeline of Church History/Byzantine era (451-843)}}
{{:Timeline of Church History/Late Byzantine era (843-1453)}}
{{:Timeline of Church History/Post-Imperial era (1453-1821)}}
{{:Timeline of Church History/Modern era (1821-1917)}}
{{:Timeline of Church History/Communist era (1917-1991)}}
{{:Timeline of Church History/Post-Communist era (1991-Present)}}
</pre>
I know the slash does not make it a wiki subpage this site, but it will just be the name of the page.
I am OK with leaving it as it is, I am just suggesting an alternative. (If one wants to edit the top of the page, just click any of the EDIT links and the change it to http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Timeline_of_Church_History&action=edit§ion=0 - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 15:40, July 28, 2008 (UTC)
: Another possibility would be to trim out less major events from this article, but including them in more detailed timelines for the various eras which can be linked to at the top of each section. This makes the most sense to me.
: We'd need to come up with a criterion for inclusion in this article (i.e., what constitutes high importance). —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 02:45, July 29, 2008 (UTC)
:: I very strongly second Fr Andrew's idea above, which would provide the best of both worlds.
:: #1) We could take the timeline as is, and break it up into separate pages for each of the periods listed, as is suggested above. This would allow for any fuller development of those periods, on their new page, and more attention to thaose periods, should there be any.
:: #2) The overall page/timeline would remain as is, but (drastically?) reduced of course to the most major events only. Again, as Fr Andrew says, a criterion for inclusion on this page would have to be established (I am thinking along the lines of the 7 Ecumenical Councils, other major councils, the great Schism, the major events of the Apostolic and Early Church, and things of this sort.
:: #3) Very important from a logistical point of view, would be to have each of the subheadings in the main article, actually linked to the separate and more detailed page for that period. That way, all the information is still accessible from the main page, a click away; and both world-extremes of breath and of scope (i.e. detailed chronlogical history vs major events only) are satisfied this way. Seems an excellent organizational idea.
:: If there are no objections, I propose we proceed. My two cents,
:: Cheers,
:: [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 20:15, September 4, 2008 (UTC)
:::Hello, I would like to start a proposed list of criteria for inclusion into the main article (so that we can then proceed to break up the smaller sections on separate pages). Please let me know what you think, this is a rough draft but I think it might work:
:::'''Proposeed Criteria for Inclusion on Main Tiemline Page'''
:::'''Inclusion'''
:::* Leave "New Testament Era" and "Apostolic Era" sections largely intact?? (most entries to be included?).
:::* Include the 10 major persections of the Early Church, as well as other persections to the modern day.
:::* Ecumenical Councils.
:::* Other major Pan-Orthodox Councils.
:::* Major Church Fathers
:::* Key Missions and Missionaries (early and modern)
:::* Important dates for each of the Autocephalous/Autonomous Orthodox Churches.
:::* Great Schism; All other Church Schisms.
:::* Key documents, writings, developments, teachings (ex. 1338 - Hesychasm)
:::* Recent developments: Include dates for the key documents from the major Dialogues with Roman Catholic and Lutheran Churches.
:::'''Exclusion'''
:::* All the ''Non-Orthodox'' and ''purely political events'' that are mentioned for their importance in history related to Orthodoxy or for reference.
:::* All events that can be termed relatively minor or detail oriented, in terms of providing an overall chronological history of Orthodoxy by year (depth of breadth and scope).
:::Please let me know what you think, feel free to add/revise as necessary...
:::[[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 18:29, December 17, 2008 (UTC)
:::: This proposal looks good. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 19:09, December 21, 2008 (UTC)
== Chalcedon ==
The explanation of Chalcedon in this article seems a little messed up. It reads: "451 Fourth Ecumenical Council meets at Chalcedon, condemning Eutychianism and Monophysitism, affirming doctrine of two perfect and invisible but separate natures of Christ,"
For one, the word "invisible" seems clearly erroneous. If the perfect humanity of Jesus is affirmed, then one of His natures is visible. Rather, I'm guessing the originally intended term was "indivisible".
Secondly, saying "indivisible but separate" is simply logically impossible. Rather, I think it would be more faithful to the Council of Chalcedon if "indivisible but distinct" were to be said. [[User:Deusveritasest|Deusveritasest]] 22:30, December 11, 2008 (UTC)
: You're absolutely correct. I've made the edit. Feel free to do so yourself next time! :) —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 01:35, December 12, 2008 (UTC)
== Renaming sub-articles ==
I renamed the sub-articles to use parentheses rather than colons. The reason is that the introduction of colons into article names creates new namespaces (e.g., "Help" is the namespace for [[Help:Editing]]), and we'd prefer to keep all encyclopedic articles in the main namespace. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 19:08, December 21, 2008 (UTC)
== HELP ==
This is urgent, I kind of modified one letter and everything deleted. Now, I cant even undo the edit .... [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 12:57, February 20, 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, this page has problems with its size. In the past it blanked out when the entire page was edited, so we just edit it by one sections at a time now. - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 13:49, February 20, 2009 (UTC)
== Date of Pentecost ==
It has always been my understanding that Pentecost occured 50 days after Pascha (which is of course why it is celebrated then). If so, then how can Pascha be dated during the year 30 while Pentecost is dated on the year 33? I have heard both 30 and 33 given as dates for Pascha as well as Penetecost but they always are said to have occured in the same year in my readings.
[[User:JJKotalik]]
== Browser error ==
I think my browser messed the article, and the *undo* option isn't working from my computer. Please undo the changes, and sorry for the inconveniences. In Christ, --[[User:Iacovibus|iacovibus]] 17:56, May 2, 2009 (UTC)
