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What do you think? [[User:Nectarios|Nectarios]] 14:12, June 8, 2007 (PDT)
I don't agree with your assertion that East and West diverged as early as the third century. The most up to date scholarship thinks of the idea that there was some great ideological divide between Greek thinkers and Latin thinkers as a myth. I think that by the time of Charlemagne we begin to see the seeds of division. But we should be careful not to overstate our case and come off as reactionaries, foolishly believing just about anything that confirms our assumption that Roman Catholics are clearly 180 degrees from the truth. Even if it's slander. Fr John Romanidies, perhaps the architect of the anti-western movement, said that the heart of the Orthodox tradition is concerned with the healing of the soul through purification, illumination, and glorification. Check these two links out and then tell me that Roman Catholic scholasticism caused the contemplative life ordered toward union with God to dry up into mere rational speculation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_%28theology%29 and http://www.christianperfection.info/. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P. even says, "In this case the theologian has a contemplation which is in a sense acquired, so far as it is the fruit of his work, and which, in a superior sense, is infused, so far as the special inspiration of the Holy Ghost elevates it in a more or less manifest manner, giving it a penetration and spiritual sweetness surpassing simple faith and theological speculation. Faith adheres to revealed mysteries, the gift of understanding makes us penetrate them, the gift of wisdom makes us taste them." and this: "From the higher point of view dominated by the gifts of understanding and wisdom, which render faith penetrating and sweet, the theological treatises appear more elevated and profound." He says the the theologian who isn't also a mystic is impoverished, but if he becomes a mystic and experiences purification and illumination, and then returns to his studies, he finds in his appreciation of the faith something "penetrating and sweet" because the contemplative way adds something deep that mere rational study cannot give. --[[User:Ryan Close|Ryan Close]] 15:23, January 16, 2015 (PST)
== Methodist reference ==
2. We believe those who are sanctified continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of God throughout our lives. To better understand our view see Wesley's sermon Christian
Perfection [http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/sermons/40/ .
No the reference is correct. It clearly states that it's talking about a subsection of the methodist movement (the holiness movement). Having been part of this theological point of view before my conversion to orthodoxy, it's accurate to a certain degree. The main problem with the article is that there is more diversity in the movement then what the article protrays. Some claim it to be profection of intentions and others see the process still going on AFTER moral profestion has occured. --[[User:NateL|NateL]] 13:34, September 3, 2009 (UTC)