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:And the point of this is? The Monophysites, Arians, and Gnostics all claimed that they were, likewise persecuted as these verses foretold. That there are questions raised about alleged practices such as denouncing the marriage bed as defiled--advising married couples to permanently abstain from conjugal relations--is not identical to "hatred". As I have pointed out, this could be a matter of misunderstanding of Athonite strictness and the vigor with which Athonites seem to prefer to express themselves. Affecting an air of "persecution" in response only invites greater investigation. Of course, nobody is ever hurt by truth, right?[[User:Dogface|Dogface]] 13:54, February 10, 2006 (CST)
:One of the main problems with heretics is that they never have the '''humility''' to even admit they are persecuted or weak (if they are/were at all persecuted). In fact, it was the Arians (to use your example) who were persecuting the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church was the "weaker" party for some time, and Pope Athanasius was standing against the whole world, giving rise to the expression "''Athanasius contra mundum''".
:The particular examples given in this video seem "out of context" (we are not told the full story or why a particular advice was given).
:Pray for those who persecute you (Matthew 5:44), as the father in the video said, "we are praying for them".
