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Purpose Section and St. John Chrysostom: response
Again, I do not mean to offend you, but this is what I believe. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 17:45, January 9, 2008 (PST)
 
:Hey Gabriela, Thanks for your response here. I just wanted to note that I disagree with you on your two points above (not you second-to-last paragraph though) -- 1. I think it's just a factor of having fewer people. Some talk pages have been very active with disputes, and there are certainly things that could be talked through more carefully, even if, thankfully, we do have a much larger set of common beliefs and values than folks on Wikipedia. 2. I wouldn't say that just because an article was written by a seminarian, its necessarily theologically correct -- I wish that were the case, but we really can't take much for granted. I don't mean to imply anything about the original author of the article here, of course. Thanks again, Yours in Christ, — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
 
== Rewrite ==
 
This article has been long overdue for a rewrite, so I went ahead and did what I could. I hope that the structure is now more conducive to additions and corrections than the previous version, and I'm sorry if I didn't include portions or topics that should have been kept (or added). —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 19:55, March 20, 2008 (PDT)
 
== Purpose Section and St. John Chrysostom ==
 
Quite confused. I am wondering if anybody has a link to the last quote in this section by St. John Chrysostom, mainly the quote "Neither is it necessary to allow for the possibility of conceiving, and thus having a large number of children, something you may not want." I'm not overly familiar with SJC, but I can recall that his 24th Homily on Romans has many anti-contraception and anti-abortion viewpoints, and it would appear that this viewpoint is one that is very pro-contraception. It is quoted as being from his sermon "On Virginity." I have looked and cannot find this quote in that sermon (though perhaps I do not have a full version). The actual citation here in the wiki is a book I am not familiar with. If SJC did in fact say this, could someone provide a link to the quotation? I think a stronger source is needed than simply a secondary quotation through a novel.
 
Note: I was referring to this part from the Homily on Romans [http://byzantineramblings.blogspot.com/2008/07/st-john-chrysostom-on-contraception.html]
 
[[User:Mets|Mets]] 09:19, June 17, 2009 (UTC)
 
:Unfortunately, that's all the information I have. The secondary source, ''You Call My Words Immodest'' is written by a Greek theologian, and is a textbook rather than a novel, [http://www.new-ostrog.org/synaxis/weblst.htm as far as I can tell]. I don't like using secondary sources when I can find primary ones, I admit. I am unable to find any version of Chrysostom's "On Virginity" after searching online for over an hour.
:In terms of the quotation, in context, I had hoped it was clear that St. John Chrysostom is speaking of having versus abstaining from sex, rather than (active) contraception. To paraphrase: you don't ''have'' to have sex in order to have children if you're not ready for children. Perhaps more clarification is necessary? —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 18:25, July 31, 2009 (UTC)
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