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*''[[Talk:Sarum Use/Archive 1|Archive 1]] and [[Talk:Sarum Use/Archive 2|Archive 2]] SARUM RITE SOCIETY The following society is exclusively using the Sarum Rite http://sarumrite.spruz.comSomeone may wish to add it to the list of external links if it is useful.
== St Osmund error ==
No Russian Synod ever required modification of the Sarum Rite because it is a pre-schism text which clearly proclaims Orthodox theology. The information on Russian-authorized rites (that is, rites that were not original pre-schismatic rituals) is on the [[Western Rite]] page.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 23:31, August 28, 2008 (UTC)
Since it is generally acknowledged by scholars that the Sarum Use dates to the 13th c., it doesn't qualify for the description "pre-Schism." Also, I don't believe anyone has claimed that Moscow evaluated the Sarum. I take the claim to be simply that the Russian editor(s) of the Sarum utilized the ''Observations'' of the 1904 Moscow commission to amend the text to make it more suitable for Orthodox use. --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 02:06, August 29, 2008 (UTC)
Without wanting to be a stickler to what I said: '''"Please propose all amendments,''' '''''with evidence,''''' '''on the talk page."'''. — by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 03:12, August 29, 2008 (UTC)
==Sarum: 13th Century or Misnomer?==
I don't think the argument can be made that the use itself dates back to the 13th century. Perhaps its fixation as calling it "Sarum" can be traced to Richard Le Poore, but the codification of the texts by Osmund was in the late 11th, and based on practices well-established in the surrounding areas. However, even these local variants were far from massive differences in ritual. Perhaps a better name is simply: the English Liturgy.
This reminds me very much of the argument that the Mozarabic liturgy is so called because it has been influenced by Islam. Musically, it was influenced somewhat (and far less than assumed); but the texts were Hispania's use well before the Moors took over. --[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 02:52, August 29, 2008 (UTC)
== English Uses, Sarum Rite, and Sarum Use ==
There should be some clarification: all local uses of the Western rite in Britain are English Uses. English Use being the commonly used term to describe the diverse but related practices amongst local British uses in ceremonial, ornament, and ritual (including uses of Scotland, Wales, and Ireland.) The Rite of Salisbury is one use, as are Bangor, York, Durham, etc.
The Sarum Rite properly refers to the rite of the Cathedral of Salisbury: and it was called a rite properly throughout history. It is a variation of the Gallo-Roman rite, but distinct enough that even the Romans called it a rite. The full Sarum rite without adaptation was adopted by some other local dioceses: Shrewsbury, Dunkeld, St. Andrew's, St. David's.
The Sarum Use refers to the use of dioceses that adapted the Salisbury rite, but with some local distinction: e.g. Lincoln, London, Aberdeen or Bangor. There is a misunderstanding in the popular consciousness that because the Sarum is a variant of the Roman rite, that it is merely a use - a confusing term to use considering the common usage of 'Sarum use' to describe local adaptations of Sarum.
English uses that are non-Sarum include York rite, Durham (a use of York), and Exeter.--[[User:Aristibule|Ari]] 01:51, March 22, 2009 (UTC)
