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Locum Tenens: - I followed up to clarify myself and to agree with the editor.
: Anyway, I'm the one who mostly researched and wrote this article, and I couldn't find any specifically documentable reasons for why Theophilus chose not to negotiate with Gregory. One may of course speculate. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Dcn. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 06:38, August 17, 2006 (CDT)
 
Let me make a follow-up, by now 14 years later. In 1925-1937, Met. Sergius was the deputy of the locum tenens of the Moscow Patriarch and became Patriarch in 1943. In 1970, Met. Pimen was the locum tenens of the MP and became Patriarch in 1971. So during the two periods that the article referred to, those hierarchs were not as yet patriarchs according to the M.P. itself. I had mistakenly misread the article as implying that the patriarchs of Moscow were not real patriarchs, but only "locum tenens" due to a possible view by ROCOR of the MP's illegitimacy.
 
Recently, I have been learning more about the MP in this period, and it also appears that ROCOR's theologians had a range of views on the status of the MP. While the ROCOR was out of communion with the MP, apparently there were some ROCOR theologians who thought that the MP still had legitimacy or grace, whereas I had just taken it to be the case that ROCOR across the board dismissed the whole MP as illegitimate. Fortunately, now with the reconciliation of 2007 and resumption of OCA-ROCOR-OCA relations, we can have better, fuller, more nuanced views of each others' histories. Along similar lines, I heard that ROCOR at the time wasn't aware that most clergy in the USSR who rejected the legitimacy of Pat. Sergius had reconciled with the MP under Pat. Alexei. One of them was a famous hierarch of the "non-commemorators" (those who didn't commemorate Pat. Sergius). [[User:Rakovsky|Rakovsky]] ([[User talk:Rakovsky|talk]]) 17:50, May 28, 2020 (UTC)
== Update? ==
Anyone want to update this article and its template box/timelines with news of the union? — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 07:10, June 7, 2007 (PDT)
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