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He is also listed as a saint at http://www.pomog.org/saintlist.shtml (A ROCOR parish), s.v. January 9 / 22 as well as on a ACROD parish site at http://www.yourinter.net/zak/saints.html (probably copied from the other site?).
A couple sources I found state that he was canonized by the Church in Russia (Moscow Patriarchate), but then there's [http://listserv.ucsb.edu/lsv-cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0006&L=nabokv-l&P=3550 this]. Also, I found a real slam job [http://www.newtimes.ru/eng/detail.asp?art_id=1610 here]. Besides the "St. Paul Florensky" book, I also found reference to an article by Columba Graham Flegg called "St. Pavel Florensky: An Appreciation" ''Modern Logic'' 4 (1994), 266-276.
Hope that helps. [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]] 09:44, June 15, 2006 (CDT)
 
Fr. Florensky's status seems rather open. On the point of glorification my understanding that a person in "recognized" formally as a saint most often after that person in honored and revered at a local level. Current points are Abp. Arseny, honored in Canada, and the lady, her name doesn't come to me right now, in Alaska. However, I have added the position noted in the Wikipedia article about Metr. Vitaly's statements in which he notes the "unfortunate" icon that mentions Fr. Paul's name but has no painted icon of his face. ROCOR members may be vacillating on the question. As the points above are rationalized commentary can be added to our article. Also. a point, do we want to list Florensky as 'Pavel' or 'Paul'? On the Calendar he is listed as 'Paul'. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 10:38, June 15, 2006 (CDT)
 
: ''Pavel'' seems to be the name under which his books are published. It's also the name I hear used most for him around the seminary. (In fact, I've never heard him called ''Paul''.) &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 11:44, June 15, 2006 (CDT)
 
:I think we should keep the article as Pavel. We can add a (or Paul) in parens perhaps -- it's really the same in translation of course, and we shouldn't be suprised to find different usages. Bill, you're thinking of Matushka Olga Michael in Alaska. Local veneration is different from formal canonization. (I don't have a problem with the term "canonization" since I think it's an accurate description of what is being done. I'm not sure that attempts to purge it from our language aren't just over-zealous attempts to assert Orthodoxness over against Roman Catholic canonization practices. Not sure what the real history of both terms is, but "canonize" describes very well in my mind what is being done with these folks -- more than "glorified" even, since it is really only God who can glorify someone.) [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]]
 
::I've added a redirect from Paul Florensky, so hopefully that should minimise any confusion. &mdash; edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="red">Pι</font>]][[Special:Listusers/sysop|s]][[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="yellow">τ</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Pistevo|é]][[User:Pistevo|<font color="blue">vο</font>]] at 20:45, June 15, 2006 (CDT)
 
Thanks, Fr. John. I understand the terminology issues - we have a lot of them. The point I was trying to make is that the Orthodox process to canonization can lead into the uncertianty of local usage for a saint until one of the Churches formally recognizes canonization, much as seems to be going on in the examples I mentioned. By the way I have no problem with Pavel as I had used it in the article, but, again, we have questions about which 'transliterations' to use in other articles - I look at it as a case of consistency. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 20:26, June 15, 2006 (CDT)
 
:Yep, I guess I wasn't responding to you so much as the larger discussion. Of course, we shouldn't call someone a "saint" here unless formally recognized by one of the local Churches. But I agree with you fully. {{User:FrJohn/sig}}
 
 
==Sophia==
Hmm. An article on Florensky that doesnt mention his interest in Sophia. Is that intentional? [[User:sahajhist]] 17:30, July 5, 2006
 
: Nope. It's incomplete. Feel free to add to it! &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 09:01, July 5, 2006 (CDT)
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