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=="clandestine and cultic"==This language is has been a pretty strong -- maybe it would be helpful to have more identification here -- what are these groups like, what are they called? "Clandestine contentious article and cultic" should have some documentation to fill it outdiscussion page, otherwise this language is just regarded as with lots of personal opinionattacks and serious jurisdictional disputes. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])  =="clandestine and cultic"== Dear Father John,The online dictionary defined the word I'''clandestine''' as "'''existing or operating m really interested in a way so as to ensure complete concealment and confidentiality'''" ([http://www.answers.com/topic/clandestine]). The American Heritage Dictionary defined level-headed presenation of the word '''cult''' as "a religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or '''false''', with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance facts of an authoritarian, charismatic leader. The followers of such a religion or sect. Listed below are registered churches in the Philippines claiming to be "Orthodox". No other information can be obtained from church life on the internet except the name of their churchground here. I These have talked with some members and clergymen of these "orthodox" groups years back while I was searchin for the true Orthodox Church and I found out that they professed the Hindu, Buddhist and "New Age" doctrine of Karma and '''Reincarnation'''. They also believed been very hard to come by! It seems difficult to know who to trust in "mediums" (i.ethis particular situation.Ina ny case, Christ, God the Father, the Holy Spiritfor now, the Theotokos, the Child Jesus etc. possesing their spiritual leaders (priests and bishops) thereby receiving from them the power to heal, prophesy etc.). 1. ARCHBISHOP ISAAC NEE DANIEL L. GOROSPE EASTERN ORTHODOX CATHOLIC MISSION CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST, INC.  2. ARCHBISHOP JAMES NEE LEON C. CACHERO JR. INTL. ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, INC.  3. ARCHBISHOP PATRIARCH ABRAHAM JOHN PAUL I NEE ARTEMIO FRANCISCO.  4. PAULINO CANETE-PINERO D.D. OF THE ORTHODOX MISSIONARY FATHERS. 5. BISHOP OF LOS BANOS OF THE ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH INC. 6. BISHOP PRIMATE OF THE ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH INC. 7. BISHOP UNITED ORTHODOX APOSTOLIC EASTERN CHURCH, INC. 8. CONGREGATION OF ORTHODOX CATHOLIC MISSIONARIES INC.  9. DIOCESAN BISHOP OF THE ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CANONICAL DIOCESE OF THE PHILS. INC.  10. DIVINE ORTHODOX CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST INC. 11. FAR EAST ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH INC. 12. GOVERNING HIERARCH OF THE ASIAN ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH INC.  13. HOLY ORTHODOX CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST INC.  14. KATHOLIKOS ARCHIEREUS OF ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH ORD. IN PHILS.  15. ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH OF AMERICAS & ASIA INC. 16. ORTHODOX CATHOLIC MISSION INCORPORATED  17. ORTHODOX CHURCH IN THE PHILIPPINES, INC.  18. PHIL. ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH INC. 19. PHIL. PATRIARCH OF THE HOLY ORTHODOX CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST INC.  20. PRESIDING PRESBYTER OF THE ORTHODOX CHURCH IN THE PHILS. INC.  21. PRIMATE OF THE ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH INC.  22. SAN AGUSTIN III (DASMARINAS CAVITE) RESIDENTS & MEMBERS OF INTL. ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.  23. SOVEREIGN ORDER OF THE ORTHODOX HOSPITALLERS OF ST. JOHN. 24. ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH, INC.  25. UNITED ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF GOD IN THE PHILS., INC.  26. WESTERN AND EASTERN ORTHODOX CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH MISSIONARIES SOCIETY INC.  27. WESTERN ORTHODOX CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE PHILS., INC.   '''Source''': The Philippine Securities propose we start here with a clean slate and Exchange Commission[http://www.sec.gov.ph/]  There are other unregistered clandestine and cultic "churches" claiming to be orthodox which are not included in the above list.  Father, since you find the language "pretty strong" please provide see if we can make a more appropriate alternative. Thank you very much. [[User:Filipino|Filipino]] 21:27, June 7, 2007 (PDT) ::Thanks, Filipino - it's very interesting, if not helpful, to see all better go of those groups. Perhaps strong language is appropriate, but maybe they are not all clandestine or cultic according to your definitions? Definitely they breed confusion, and it can be good to identify groups to avoida second time around. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 21:32, December 17, 2007 (PST)
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