Talk:Orthodoxy in Hawaii

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"Jurisdictionalism" section

I've commented out this section. Here's the text as it was:

Up until the 1960s, the Russian Orthodox Church held canonical jurisdiction over the Hawaiian Islands. After the 1960s, three seperate Orthodox jurisdictions established themselves in the Islands; Greek, Serbian, and OCA. At one point there were as many as five different Orthodox jurisdictions in the Hawaiian Islands. For more information on the sin of Jurisdictionalism, click here, and here.

The problem with this wording is that it presumes a certain POV (i.e., Russian). It's certainly not the case that the other Orthodox churches regarded Hawaii as canonically belonging to Russia. Perhaps this section could be worded simply to state that up until the 1960s, the Russians had the only presence there, regarding the territory as canonically theirs, then other jurisdictions established a presence there. Regarding the "sin of Jurisdictionalism," a link to the diaspora article should suffice.

Thoughts? —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 17:50, May 30, 2007 (PDT)

What makes you think that I am Russian?? I am a member of the Greek Church and have been all my life?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Slava (talkcontribs) .

Nothing makes me think you're Russian. The article as it stood, however, represented the POV of the Russian Orthodox Church rather than a neutral presentation of the various claims. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 18:56, May 30, 2007 (PDT)

Good idea

I realize that we must be politically correct on this forum. Holy Fathers help us! "Politically correct Orthodox Christians."

The article flows a little better as well. The links are wonderful links, with a variety of sources and ideas and points of view; Fr. Seraphim Rose, St. Nikolai Velimirovich, Fr. Alexander Schmemmann, etc..

What do you think? Ang.

Well, it's not really a question of "political correctness," but rather of keeping to the neutrality appropriate for an encyclopedia and in keeping with OrthodoxWiki policy. It's worded better now, though I'm going to replace the external links with internal ones (which is also the preference). —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 18:13, May 30, 2007 (PDT)

Much Better

Much better.. You're good at this!


What does this have to do with the Church in Hawaii?

This discussion has nothing to do with the Church in Hawaii, can someone please clean it up? And perhaps, put it under a different talk file?

--Mike.donnally 19:17, May 30, 2007 (PDT)