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=="Jurisdictionalism" sectionvery good article ==I've commented out this section. Here's the text as it was:

:Up until very good article it is missing much information though; the 1960s, the Russian Orthodox Church held canonical jurisdiction over the Hawaiian Islandsname of ship and captain in 1792. After the 1960si have it somewhere, three seperate Orthodox jurisdictions established themselves in the Islands; Greek, Serbian, and OCAi have to look for it. At one point there were as many as five different Orthodox jurisdictions in the Hawaiian Islandsi will add it when i find it. For more information on the sin of Jurisdictionalism, [http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/gen_america.aspx click here], and [http://members5.boardhost.com/STANDREWHOUSE/msg/1153963172.top here]very good article.{{unsigned|MshKlimek}}

The problem with :That sounds good - this wording is that it presumes just how a certain POV (i.e.wiki works - one person knows a detail, Russian). It's certainly not the case that the another adds other Orthodox churches regarded Hawaii as canonically belonging to Russia. Perhaps this section could be worded simply to state that up until the 1960sinformation, and the Russians had the only presence there, regarding the territory as canonically theirs, then other jurisdictions established a presence therearticle improves gradually. Regarding the "sin of Jurisdictionalism," a link to the — [[diasporaUser:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] article should suffice([http://www.orthodoxwiki. org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

Thoughts? &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3Very good article.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">FrI'll put more materials in. Andrew</font>]] ^{[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]} <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 17:50, May 30, 2007 (PDT)I have more research but I need to translate it into English from Hawaiian--Marcus

::That sounds great! I realize that we must look forward to seeing this -- even just citing the sources in Hawaiian would be politically correct on this forumvery helpful as a start. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki. org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) Holy Fathers help us! "Politically correct Orthodox Christians."=Monasteries =

The article flows a little better as well. The links There are wonderful linksany monasteries in Hawaii? [[User:Arthasfleo|Arthasfleo]] 23:47, with a variety of sources and ideas and points of view; Fr. Seraphim RoseSeptember 16, St. Nikolai Velimirovich, Fr. Alexander Schmemmann, etc.. 2007 (PDT)

What do you think?Ang:Not that I know of - it's not a bad idea though! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

: Well:ok. thank you [[User:Arthasfleo|Arthasfleo]] 02:34, September 18, it's not really 2007 (PDT) :There is a question small monastic skete on the Big Island of "political correctnessHawaii," but rather under the jurisdiction of keeping to the Greek Old-calendar Milan Synod. The priest in charge is Hieromonk Bartholomew. -[[OWUser:NPOVNectarios|neutralityNectarios]] appropriate for an encyclopedia 02:39, September 19, 2007 (PDT)::Thanks, Nectarios. What do you know about the canonical status of the Milan synod? Also, do they have more than one monk there, and in keeping with are they friendly to non-Milan people? I know very little about the Milan synod. Thanks! — [[OWUser:NPOVFrJohn|OrthodoxWiki policy<b>FrJohn</b>]]([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) :::The Milan Synod is an uncanonical Orthodox Christian jurisdiction. It's worded better now, though I'm going They are the most moderate of all the Greek Old-calendarists jurisdictions. They are very friendly to replace the external links with internal ones OCA. But of course like all Old-calendarist parishes and monasteries, you may find some hostility. Of course this happens in any Orthodox Church that has one distinctive ethnic identity. They are good people. -12:52, September 22, 2007 (which is also PDT) {{unsigned|Poepoe77}} :::I know something about the preference)Milan Synod. &mdash;It is from [[User:ASDamickOld Calendarists |<font size="3here]].5It is a Churches " color=in resistance"green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamonda Florinite church. It is not a good monastery :( [[User:Arthasfleo|Arthasfleo]] 00:40, GeorgiaSeptember 20, Times New Roman2007 (PDT) ::"Not good" here I assume just means non-canonical, outside the fold? — [[User:FrJohn|<b>Fr. AndrewFrJohn</fontb>]] ^{([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) :::Not good from all of the points of view. Cannonical, salvation, and likeable for God. I love our church, not the schismatic one. :) [[User_talkUser:ASDamickArthasfleo|<font color=Arthasfleo]] 03:18, September 21, 2007 (PDT) ::::The old-Calendarists are a good and faithful people. I don't agree with their politics, but they are very much Orthodox Christians. They are uncanonical, which means their canonical autonomy is not recognized because they do not commune with the Ecumenical Throne. This does not mean they lack canonicity, which is something completely different. Remember Russia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Georgia and many of the other autocephalous churches were out of communion with Constantinople at some time in their history and labelled "reduncanonical">talk</font>. Were they schismatics? Were they not liked by God? There are many Russian saints who were proclaimed during the schism between Russia and Constantinople after the Council of Florence. Were they not saints? Were they not Orthodox? In the 90s the Moscow Patriarch broke off communion with the Constantinople Patriarch, was Pat Alexey II a schismatic? Of course not! -[[User:Nectarios|Nectarios]]} <small>12:19, September 22, 2007 (PDT) ::Friends, forgive me! I've edited some of the comments to try to take out the personal elements. The issue of the Old Calendarists can be difficult - there are real and remaining tensions. We should recognize the histories involved, while not making light of the profound significance of schism. — [[SpecialUser:Contributions/ASDamickFrJohn|<font color="black"b>contribsFrJohn</fontb>]]<([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/small> 18User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 14:1334, May 30September 22, 2007 (PDT) ==Iveron Icon==Something should be written for our Holy Icon here in Hawaii. I will ask permission from the Icon's Guardian to include something. People should know about this.