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== Good idea very good article ==

I realize that we must be politically correct on this forumvery good article it is missing much information though; the name of ship and captain in 1792. Holy Fathers help us! i have it somewhere, i have to look for it. i will add it when i find it. "Politically correct Orthodox Christiansvery good article."{{unsigned|MshKlimek}}

The article flows :That sounds good - this is just how a little better as well. The links are wonderful links, with wiki works - one person knows a variety of sources and ideas and points of view; Fr. Seraphim Rosedetail, St. Nikolai Velimirovichanother adds other information, Frand the article improves gradually. Alexander Schmemmann, etc— [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki. org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

What do you think?AngVery good article.I'll put more materials in. I have more research but I need to translate it into English from Hawaiian--Marcus

::That sounds great! I look forward to seeing this -- even just citing the sources in Hawaiian would be very helpful as a start. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=="Jurisdictionalism" edit&section==new talk])I've commented out this section. Here's the text as it was:=Monasteries =

:Up until the 1960s, the Russian Orthodox Church held canonical jurisdiction over the Hawaiian Islands. After the 1960s, three seperate Orthodox jurisdictions established themselves There are any monasteries in the Islands; Greek, Serbian, and OCA. At one point there were as many as five different Orthodox jurisdictions in the Hawaiian Islands. For more information on the sin of Jurisdictionalism, Hawaii? [[httpUser://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/gen_america.aspx click hereArthasfleo|Arthasfleo]]23:47, and [http://members5.boardhost.com/STANDREWHOUSE/msg/1153963172.top here].September 16, 2007 (PDT)

The problem with this wording is :Not that I know of - it presumes a certain POV (i.e., Russian). It's certainly not the case that the other Orthodox churches regarded Hawaii as canonically belonging to Russia. Perhaps this section could be worded simply to state that up until the 1960s, the Russians had the only presence there, regarding the territory as canonically theirs, then other jurisdictions established a presence there. Regarding the "sin of Jurisdictionalism," a link to the bad idea though! — [[diasporaUser:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] article should suffice([http://www. orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

Thoughts::ok. thank you [[User:Arthasfleo|Arthasfleo]] 02:34, September 18, 2007 (PDT) :There is a small monastic skete on the Big Island of Hawaii, under the jurisdiction of the Greek Old-calendar Milan Synod. The priest in charge is Hieromonk Bartholomew. -[[User:Nectarios|Nectarios]] 02:39, September 19, 2007 (PDT)::Thanks, Nectarios. What do you know about the canonical status of the Milan synod? &mdash;Also, do they have more than one monk there, and are they friendly to non-Milan people? I know very little about the Milan synod. Thanks! — [[User:ASDamickFrJohn|<font size="3b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.5" colororg/User_talk:FrJohn&action="green" faceedit&section="Adobe Garamond Pronew talk]) :::The Milan Synod is an uncanonical Orthodox Christian jurisdiction. They are the most moderate of all the Greek Old-calendarists jurisdictions. They are very friendly to the OCA. But of course like all Old-calendarist parishes and monasteries, Garamondyou may find some hostility. Of course this happens in any Orthodox Church that has one distinctive ethnic identity. They are good people. -12:52, GeorgiaSeptember 22, Times New Roman2007 (PDT) {{unsigned|Poepoe77}} :::I know something about the Milan Synod. It is from [[Old Calendarists | here]]. It is a Churches ">Frin resistance", a Florinite church. Andrew</font>It is not a good monastery :( [[User:Arthasfleo|Arthasfleo]] <sup>00:40, September 20, 2007 (PDT) ::"Not good" here I assume just means non-canonical, outside the fold? — [[User_talkUser:ASDamickFrJohn|<font color="red"b>talkFrJohn</fontb>]]<([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/sup> <small>User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) :::Not good from all of the points of view. Cannonical, salvation, and likeable for God. I love our church, not the schismatic one. :) [[SpecialUser:Contributions/ASDamickArthasfleo|<font color=Arthasfleo]] 03:18, September 21, 2007 (PDT) ::::The old-Calendarists are a good and faithful people. I don't agree with their politics, but they are very much Orthodox Christians. They are uncanonical, which means their canonical autonomy is not recognized because they do not commune with the Ecumenical Throne. This does not mean they lack canonicity, which is something completely different. Remember Russia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Georgia and many of the other autocephalous churches were out of communion with Constantinople at some time in their history and labelled "blackuncanonical". Were they schismatics? Were they not liked by God? There are many Russian saints who were proclaimed during the schism between Russia and Constantinople after the Council of Florence. Were they not saints? Were they not Orthodox? In the 90s the Moscow Patriarch broke off communion with the Constantinople Patriarch, was Pat Alexey II a schismatic? Of course not! -[[User:Nectarios|Nectarios]] 12:19, September 22, 2007 (PDT) ::Friends, forgive me! I've edited some of the comments to try to take out the personal elements. The issue of the Old Calendarists can be difficult - there are real and remaining tensions. We should recognize the histories involved, while not making light of the profound significance of schism. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>contribsFrJohn</fontb>]]<([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/small> 17User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 14:5034, May 30September 22, 2007 (PDT) ==Iveron Icon==Something should be written for our Holy Icon here in Hawaii. I will ask permission from the Icon's Guardian to include something. People should know about this.