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Rublev original?
:: There are so many libraries with rare papyrus images ... do any of these have images or prototype like sketches of Christs life including the nativity? They are probably not available on the Internet so it would have to be a really academic exercise ... I think Harvard University library website has some papers on this sort of stuff. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 21:41, January 2, 2009 (UTC)
 
::You are correct, 'there's a lot more to tracing the origin of an icon type than just "design elements."' My purpose in comparing the design elements was to explore my speculation that Rublev might have been influenced by works by Pisanon and/or Giotto. WHat my little analysis tells me is that all three artists were influenced by a Nativity design that originated in Egypt.
 
::Relative to 'Coptic Art' and 'Byzantine Art', there is at least one important fact and one respected authority that support the idea of refering to the Nativity icon in the St Catherine Monastery as 'Byzantine':
:::The fact: St Catherine's was commissioned by the Byzanitne Emporer, Justinian (527-565)
:::The authority: the Getty referes to icons in St Catherine's as Byzantine Art (http://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/icons_sinai/overview.html)
::I was ready to accede to these but decided to investigate the idea of it being 'Coptic Art' further. This led me to learn that the Coptic Patriarch Cyril I (404-430 A.D.) authorized the use of icons as a visual means for teaching Christian doctrines (http://www.coptic.net/articles/CopticIcons.txt). All of this tenatively aligns with your conjecture "I have my doubts that the tradition of this icon only extends to the 15th century." I would not be surprised that if someone were to carry our the acedemic exercise that Vasiliki suggests they would find that the Nativity icon extends back to at least the 5th century.--[[User:DUCKMARX|DUCKMARX]] 01:06, January 4, 2009 (UTC)
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