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Talk:Midnight Office

I personally think this article should be re-titled "The Midnight Office", because this is the most common term used in English, at least in my experience -- see the Lenten Triodion, for example.

-Fr. John Whiteford 3/20/2007

I think it would nice if someone could create a cross-reference of same names for different services. Such as the common name, the Greek name, the Slavonic name, and other names. This would be helpful especially for: Memorial service, Parastas, Panikhida, Pomen, Molebin, Vigil, Vespers, Matins, Orthros, Compline, Nocturne, and Hours. Andrew 05:40, March 20, 2007 (PDT)

Problem with footnotes

The footnotes are imported from the main wikipedia... however, the template doesn't seem to work on our site. Is there an easy fix for it?

Also, I agree with your idea... I'll try to work on a cross reference list.

-Fr. John Whiteford

I fixed the footnotes. The template on the original WP article didn't work because we don't have that template here. It could get imported or something similar created. But the fix I put in works fine, too. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 12:06, March 21, 2007 (PDT)

Clarify this page

When discussing the "Midnight Office for Holy Saturday" - could someone please clarify exactly what is meant?

Are we talking about starting around 23:00 on the *civil* Holy Satuday (midnight to midnight)?

Or are we talking about starting around 23:00 on the *ecclesiastic* Holy Saturday, i.e., starting nominally at 16:00 on the civil Friday and ending at 16:00 on the civil Saturday, and thus, the Office occurring very late on (the civil) Friday?

Also, could someone explain (possibly in conjunction with another page): if the services for Holy Thursday through Pascha are performed 12 hours early (Vespers in the morning, Matins in the evening), then when in the week does this timing commence, and which services are abridged or eliminated to allow for it? Further, when do Vespers and Matins return to their usual times, and what is done with/during the 12-hour pause to allow for this return?

we are talking about the service that immediately precedes the Paschal Matins. The point in Holy Week when things begin to shift is on Palm Sunday evening (with the Bridegroom Matins of Holy Monday being done in the evening), though in a monastery, the Bridegroom Matins would be done a good bit later than they are done in parish practice. Frjohnwhiteford 11:04, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
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