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: Omega. Check your lexicon. :) --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 11:19, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
==Egyptian masks==
Christianity was instituted by Jesus or Word of God or God, the Creator of Universe. I don't think that God needed to be inspired by gurus that are simple men, or by Egyptian religion or other religions as some nonsensical ideas claim. Do you?
Who comes when people ask for God https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=babKPGNqlOs The man in the movie probably did not ask for knowing best Christian denomination. The ones I know about asking, arrived at Estern Orthodox Church.--[[User:Pasadi97|Pasadi97]] 16:21, January 27, 2013 (HST)
==Copyright==
* Andrei Rublev - Christ the Redeemer, 1409 (Russian)
* Simon Ushakov - Christ 'Not Painted by Human Hands', 1657 (Russian)
== Tips concerning the Nine Choirs of Angels & authoring the icons of Angels ==
This is excerpt is from p18 of The Painter's Manual of Dionysus of Fourna as translated by Paul Hetherington, it was posted on an Orthodox thread [http://www.monachos.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5324 1] by a "Mary Halloran Snyder" who is studying iconography and is using this material as part of her Iconography research materials. It answers a lot of icon related questions on how to "author" the angels:
:There are nine choirs of Angels as shown by Dionysus the Areopagite, and they are divided into three orders.
:The First Order Thrones, Cherubim, Seraphim. Thrones are represented as fiery wheels with wings all around and with eyes in the wings, they are all entertwined in the form of a king's throne. Cherubim have one head only and two wings. Seraphim have six wings of which two cover their faces, and two their feet and the other two as if spread for flight; in their hands each has a fan on which are these words; "Holy Holy Holy" it was like this that the prophet Isaiah saw them. The tetramorphs are represented thus: they have six wings and upon their heads each have a crown, they have the faces of angels, and they hold the Gospels before their breasts with both hands. Between the two wings above their heads there is an eagle, while there is a lion between the wings on their right, and an ox between those on their left. These animals look up and hold the Gospels their their feet. They appeared thus to the prophet Ezekiel.
:The Second Order that is to say, rank -- Dominations, Powers, Virtues. These are represented wearing robes down to their feet, with girdles and greenish gold stoles, and holding golden rods in their right hands and in their left a seal with this sign (a circle with an x in it)
:The Third Order -- Principalities, Archangels, Angels. These are represented wearing soldier's clothes with golden girdles. They hold spears in their hands of which the tops are pointed and have blades like axe heads."
Can we incorporate this information into the "iconography article" in any way before it is lost into the nothing land? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:30, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
: I don't really see how detailed instructions on how to paint icons is really appropriate for an encyclopedia article. OW isn't a how-to manual. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 02:02, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
::and OW Users are not robots with a PHD in everything intellectual ... I propose a rewording of your response:
:::''Thank you for this information. Unfortunately it is not strictly ''encyclopedic'' rather it is more ''instructional'' in its nature ... However, keep up the good work - I notice you make a genuine effort to contribute to OW! Signed ASDamick!''
::Merry Christmas dear Father Andrew .... Signed (your worst nightmare - lol) [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 02:40, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
::: Silly Vasiliki—never propose a "rewording" to someone with a degree in English literature. Such people are incapable of receiving such hard sayings. I meant what I said and wrote it as I meant to.
:::: That is definately me .. silly :) As a person who does not have a degree in English literature that is exactly why I CAN propose a rewording because I am not bound by rules that I dont know about anyway (Do-Ya get me?) [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 03:10, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
::: As to being my "worst nightmare," well... let us just say that you will have to try much harder if that's your aspiration. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 02:50, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
:::: Well, like we said above I am a "literary" Fool-for-Christ ... errm (correction) I aspire to literally be a Fool-for-Christ (not a "worst nightmare") [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 03:10, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
== Written or Painted? ==
AS it has been determined, icons are written, not painted. So, the caption under the Apostle Luke "painting" the first icon should be changed to WRITING. Thanks, --[[User:Iliada|Iliada]] 02:10, March 15, 2009 (UTC)
: Determined? By whom? —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 20:49, March 15, 2009 (UTC)
Well, icons, as you know, are more than just religious art. These "windows to heaven" depict the very men and women who have achieved theosis. They were made for the illiterate. St. John of Damascus said, "What the book does for those who understand letters, the image does for the illiterate." As the scriptures are written, so are icons, as they teach us in a similar manner of the Bible. (I am participating in the St. John Chrysostom Oratorical Festival, and my topic is about icons, that's where I get all of my information). --[[User:Iliada|Iliada]] 00:47, March 16, 2009 (UTC)
: I agree with your theological point here, but I'm still not sure why this means that ''painted'' is a bad translation and ''written'' is the correct one. (There is no difference between the two words in Greek—indeed, there is only one word—so an insistence on a difference in English is, by definition, an innovation.)
: Church architecture, chanting, and preaching also accomplish this same sort of thing in other ways, yet, to my knowledge, there are no objections against ''building, singing, preaching'', etc.
: Anyway, see the section of the article on this particular question. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 11:11, March 16, 2009 (UTC)
Ok, then there must be a change made on the [[Theotokos of Tikhvin]] page, because it says that it is believed to be an icon "written" by the apostle Luke. The same applies to the [[Theotokos of the Passion]], and the [[Diocese of Los Angeles and the West (Antiochian)]] pages. Also, for my speech, I said that some people think that Luke wrote the first icon, and others think it was when St. Veronica placed a cloth to Christ's face. But here I see that Ainaius did it in a similar fashion. Which of the two not by hands happened first? --<font color="teal">[[User:Iliada|Iliada]]</font><font color="teal" size="100px"></font> 18:11, March 17, 2009 (UTC)
:Thank you, so changed.[[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 20:36, March 17, 2009 (UTC)
There's really nothing wrong with saying that icons are "written." It's the insistence that they are not "painted" which makes no sense. Either translation is faithful to the Greek, though in different ways. —[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 01:21, March 19, 2009 (UTC)
== Dead Link to Russian Icons ==
The external link to the Russian Icons gallery here:
http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/icons/
returned a 404. I found this one on the Auburn site:
http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/russian/icons/index.html
and it looks like the same page (according to googles cache of the original link.) I changed it on the main page, but could it be possible that ~mitrege does not want it linked to from here? [[User:Joey1978|Joey1978]] 04:42, June 6, 2009 (UTC)
