Talk:Eastern Churches Council of Australia
Pre-Chalcedonian and Pre-Ephesian
The Antiochian Archdiocese, and the pre-Chalcedonian Churches, prefer the use of the term Pre-Chalcedonian in this article, and any article dealing with Eastern Hierarchs, or the Pre-Chalcedonian Churches themselves.
Non-Chalcedonian is a loaded term showing bias against those "who did not accept the truth decided by Chalcedon", as the obviously biased put it. Pre-Chalcedonian is a positive term acknowledging the common heritage of both divisions prior to Chalcedon.
The unbiased term Pre-Chalcedonian is needed to help Christians of good-will work towards healing the tearing of Christ's Church.
Similarly, the term Pre-Ephesian is preferred to describe those Churches erroneously referred to as "Nestorian", by so many in the Chalcedonian Churches and their offshoots.
To heal the wounds it is necessary to start from common ground and look at the circumstances and reasons for the divergences, and the semantics in the formularies of the divergences.
The terms Chalcedonian and Pre-Chalcedonian, and Ephesian and Pre-Ephesian, acknowledge the common ground prior to those Councils.
chrisg 2006-05-22-1441 EAST
- In the same way that the term 'traditionalist', used for "old calendarists", is objected to by "new calendarists" on the basis of a lack of tradition, for a similar reason is pre-chalcedonian objected to, as both Eastern and Oriental Orthodox (to use different descriptions) were pre-chalcedonian. The question is not whether the Oriental Orthodox (or the Easterns, for that matter) existed before or after Chalcedon, but whether the canons of the council were accepted. In acknowledgement of this, "Chalcedonian" and "Non-Chalcedonian" are the best descriptive terms we have. — by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 00:02, May 22, 2006 (CDT)
Is there any way to get away from this Chalcedonian bias to a Neutral Point Of View (NPOV) applicable to all of Orthodoxy?
chrisg 2006-05-22-1803 EAST
- Probably not. Mainstream Chalcedonian Bias (MCB), a corner-stone of OrthodoxWiki, means that articles are designed to be slanted towards the 14/15 autocephalous churches. This, of course, means that they are slanted away from the old-calendarists (non-mainstream) and those who do not accept the first four ecumenical councils. The administrator is an OCA priest, which necessitates this.
- Of course, these are just the rules - I didn't make them; that being said, I don't see how it can be any other way. If there is no intercommunion, it's not the one church. — by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 03:46, May 22, 2006 (CDT)
- Interesting. So when Moscow broke off communion with Constantinople a few years ago, which one do you say was not part of the One Church? chrisg 2006-05-22-2008 EAST
- The break was not permanent, as I am sure it was not meant to be. It's tough to define exactly, of course. Let us just say that at this point, the division which occurred over Chalcedon has not been healed. There has to be some sort of rule of thumb for the wiki. The MCB is one of the standards agreed upon from the beginning. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 06:33, May 22, 2006 (CDT)