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==Misleading Sentence==
This sentence from the article is misleading: ''''''[...the Church of Antioch refers to itself as the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East.] The literal translation into English of the Arabic name is "Roman (in Arabic, Rum) Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East." '''''' The Arabic word "RUM," while indeed literally translated as "Roman," fails to explain that "Rum" denoted Greeks of the Roman Empire (once the capital was moved from Rome to Constantinople); ie East Roman/Byzantine "Greek Romans." In fact, Arabic does not have an equivalent to the word "Greek" to this day, instead referring to the modern Greek nations (Greece and Cyprus) and it's people as Romans ("Rum").--[[User:Nikoz78|Nikoz78]] 21:59, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Please read the title of the Church of Antioch's website: http://antiochpat.org/english/sitefiles/viewcontent.php?content=%241%24Fqww80sV%24LJtl/mpIsne5lz0mZ5kCy0_%241%24cY2fEC.3%242X4rjsf3DqIjEbC53bz6R/_%241%24Fqww80sV%24LJtl/mpIsne5lz0mZ5kCy0b56a92baa0ee987eb7f7e4a179b60efb&id=1&cat=%241%24DdKoSQCb%24FO96gT8jCFwnHPxW4LNZj1_%241%24pCxQHS8F%24GHaBW0fpsqpxYoSn4BE0M/_%241%24DdKoSQCb%24FO96gT8jCFwnHPxW4LNZj150102e124822220aaa78a8e3b2ccba34&catid=3&contentname=Historical%20Overview&catname=Other%20Contents [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 01:11, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
==Population==
Hi. You say the Population estimate are 750,000 to 1,000,000. That is not true, we are just in Syria 750,000 to 1,000,000 and in lebanon 300,000 and in Iraq 250,000 and in Turkey 100,000 ... I read in Arabic ENCYCLOPEDIA that the Antioch Church Population are 12 Million around the world. Please change It. --[[User:Habib|Habib]] 16:43, March 8, 2007 (PST)
it`s mean: Roman Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East, Headquarters in Damascus, it has 16 Archdioceses and the Believers are around 12 Millin in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Western Europe, America and Australian.
GBU--[[User:Habib|Habib]] 18:19, March 9, 2007 (PST)
: I can't read Arabic, but I am wondering about the nature of this source. Is it from a printed book? And does it cite a source for its figures? Thanks!&mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 05:57, March 9, 2007 (PST)
 
ARABIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Is a printed book in Syria, Damascus. in More as 20 volumes. i Translated the Text from arabic to English.
--[[User:Habib|Habib]] 18:19, March 9, 2007 (PST)
 
::[[Image:ArabEncyc01.gif]] Arabic Encyclopedia printed in 11 volumes.
[http://www.arab-ency.com/ ARABIC ENCYCLOPEDIA]
[[User:Chrisg|Chrisg]] 11:53, March 9, 2007 (PST)
 
Habib definitely has a point. The population statistic given in the text says between 750,000-1 million in Syria alone, while the margin population for the whole patriarchate gives the same figure. It can't be as high as 12 million, but should be at least 2 million given America, Lebanon, Syria, Western Europe. Admittedly a real number would be hard to get.
==Architecture==
In any event, a discussion of Chambesy is better left to its own article. If and when it is drafted, a cross-reference may be appropriate. {{User:Dcndavid/sig}} 23:22, March 14, 2006 (CST)
 
== Wrong Arabic interwiki ==
 
The Arabic interwiki links to "أنطاكية", which means ''Antioch'', not ''Church of Antioch'', and the article is about the town, not the church. --[[User:Filius Rosadis|Filius Rosadis]] 14:45, August 24, 2007 (PDT)
 
== Official Arabic name and other issues ==
 
According to the current version of the article, ''The literal translation into English of the Arabic name used under Ottoman law and its successors is "Roman Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East."'' But according to [http://antiochpat.org the official web page of the Church of Antioch], the name in Arabic is بطريركية أنطاكية وسائر المشرق للروم الأرثوذكس, which literally stands for "Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East for the Orthodox Byzantines" or for the "Orthodox Greeks". The Arabic word "Rum" doesn't mean Rome but Byzantium, i.e. Middle Age Greece.
 
Another confusing passage is "…Arabic name used under Ottoman law and its successors". The Ottoman Empire's official language was not Arabic but Turkish, and the Empire's successor is the Republic of Turkey, where the official language is also Turkish.
 
As for the last Patriarch who was a Greek national, the article's explanation conflicts with the [http://antiochpat.org/english/sitefiles/viewcontent.php?content=%241%24Fqww80sV%24LJtl/mpIsne5lz0mZ5kCy0_%241%24cY2fEC.3%242X4rjsf3DqIjEbC53bz6R/_%241%24Fqww80sV%24LJtl/mpIsne5lz0mZ5kCy0b56a92baa0ee987eb7f7e4a179b60efb&id=1&cat=%241%24DdKoSQCb%24FO96gT8jCFwnHPxW4LNZj1_%241%24pCxQHS8F%24GHaBW0fpsqpxYoSn4BE0M/_%241%24DdKoSQCb%24FO96gT8jCFwnHPxW4LNZj150102e124822220aaa78a8e3b2ccba34&catid=3&contentname=Historical%20Overview&catname=Other%20Contents official web page's historical overview].
 
The article's current version says: ''By the 18th century the great majority of the communicants of the Antiochian church were Arabs. In 1898 the last Greek patriarch was deposed, and an Arab successor was elected in 1899. Thus the patriarchate became fully Arab in character''. But the Church's web page suggests that the patriarchate was mostly Arab in character except between 1724 and 1898: ''With the impending presence of Catholicism and its impact on Patriarchate elections, and for the purpose of preserving the Antioch see Orthodoxy, the Orthodox parishioners and bishops requested the ecumenical Patriarchate to send them a Greek patriarch. The Greek presence on the Antioch Orthodox see lasted from 1724 to 1898. But due to the increasing popular demand, the first Arab patriarch was appointed. He was Patriarch Malathius I (Doumani) the Damascene''.
 
I'll make some editions, feel free to change or revert. --[[User:Filius Rosadis|Filius Rosadis]] 14:21, August 28, 2007 (PDT)
 
== Wrong names of syrian dioceses ==
 
Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Orthodox_Church_of_Antioch] transfers a slightly different list of dioceses on the Middle East and Syria. --[[User:Stone18|Stone18]] 09:15, February 18, 2012 (HST)
:The web sites for the Antiochian 'Archdioceses' do not use "Metropolis". The sites read "Archdiocese". Which is correct? [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 15:41, February 18, 2012 (HST)
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