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:Hmm... I suppose he could be considered as an advocate of it to a limited qualified degree. But even from Gregorios' above quote, it seems that he advocates praying for the salvation of all not because hell is not a reality, but because to do otherwise would be condemnatory and ultimately anti-Christian. The phrase "it is '''no more''' than a hope" is a pretty definite statement. To say that something is ''no more'' than a dream or a hope only confirms its nonexistence—it is a dream, not a fact. For example, we can (and probably should) pray for everyone to find the True Faith, but we would be doing so because we knew that the opposite was the current state of the world. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 20:29, August 25, 2007 (PDT)
::However Metropolitan Kalistos does not say that the salvation of all is "no more than a dream" nor does he use this qualifier in that context. He says that 'he ventures to express the hope' qualifying by the emphasis that is a hope and not a certainty in order that free-will be preserved. The definite statement he makes is that '''there is hope''' without certainty. His quote from St. Silouan does not merely refer to everyone finding the true Faith (this seems to limit the admonition to the living) but includes those in hell. The reality of hell is not denied (not even by Origen '''!''' ) but it's ultimate reality as endless is believed to be uncertain. All '''may''' be saved not all will be saved. Metropolitan Kalistos is very close to Hans Urs von Balthasar's qualified universalism. The salvation of all is a '''real possibility for which he hopes and prays''' but whether or not this possibility will become a reality he remains uncertain: note that he says "hell exists as a '''possibility''' because of free will" - a possibility not a certainty. [[User:Gregorios|Gregorios]] 11:13 (EST) August 26, 2007.
== Distinctions ==
We really need to distinguish between those who hold a view identical to Origen's and those who more closely follow von Balthasar (Bp. Kallistos, etc.). Additionally, related articles on the salvation of those outside the Church may certainly be in order. Especially because the charge of heresy is such a serious one, we must be careful here to really establish what individual Orthodox writers have said, and '''provide citations.''' People have been falling on and off the list for awhile. I don't think a mere list is really sufficient here or does anyone much good without more detail and references. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])
