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Revision as of 12:13, June 8, 2010 by Frjohnwhiteford (talk | contribs) (Unilateral edits asserting this is a fringe teaching)

Universally held?

According to Fr. Thomas Hopko, it is a universally held Orthodox idea:

Metropolitan Hierotheos Vlachos agrees. The very most retired Archbishop Lazar Puhalo disagrees. That does not disprove the point. Nothing is universally held if by that we mean that one cannot cite an example of someone who doesn't hold it. Criticism of the Toll Houses is very recent, and frankly flies in the face of the Patristic, liturgical, and iconographic tradition of the Church. Frjohnwhiteford 19:05, January 31, 2009 (UTC)

I honestly don't know enough about it to make a ruling either way, myself. But I do know that this is controversial in our time. Much of the article reads as though it is not.
It would probably be worth it at least to state as much, as well as to add nuance to the "pro" side of the question, e.g., whether it is to be understood strictly literally, etc. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 21:08, January 31, 2009 (UTC)

Unilateral edits asserting this is a fringe teaching

If presbyer3 wants to add some material showing that there are those who disagree with the Toll-Houses, then let him do so. But to claim that this is a "fringe" teaching is absolutely nonsense. Frjohnwhiteford 18:42, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

It is apparent from multiple forums and writings that there is no universally held position regarding the "Toll Houses" in the Orthodox Church, therefore, until such time that a council is held by the Church to issue an stand on the issue, it is a matter of personal opinion. [unsigned comment User:Peteprint

There are people in the Orthodox Church who believe that some people are born homosexuals, and that living in a committed homosexual relationship is not a sin. Do we have to wait for an Ecumenical council to tell us whether it is or not? I don't think so. That's not how we approach the Orthodox Tradition. Frjohnwhiteford 12:13, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
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