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Closing down OrthodoxSource and SR

Friends, I apologize for being absent for awhile. Please let me know if you have any outstanding wiki issues you need to resolve!
As of today, I am shutting down OrthodoxSource. Apologies to IXThis888, who has put in a good deal of work. However, there was not enough of a community of contibutors and moderators there, and I think it would be better for us all at this point to keep the focus on this wiki. Also, I will likely be shutting down SR soon. There has been no activity there for a long time, and I'm afraid that the required documents (about copyrights and policies) were never translated. — FrJohn (talk) 12:45, November 25, 2008 (UTC)


hi, i have photos of the raifa monastary i would like to upload as well as a convent neasr yoshkar ola russia which i do not beleive yet has an article how would i create a new article for this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kharaku (talkcontribs) .

Hello, on the left hand side of your screen ... scroll down until you see the words

"upload file" .. then follow the steps ...its not too hard and always someone will help you categorise your work ... Good luck! Vasiliki 01:16, November 29, 2008 (UTC)

Adding a Photo....

I have been wanting to post my photo, but do not know HTML. Could someone please give me a tip on how to do this?

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jacifus (talkcontribs) .

Give a thorough read to the materials linked in the welcome message on your talk page. There's plenty there that should help. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 23:56, December 3, 2008 (UTC)

Seminarian input

Over at Citizendium, there is a programme whereby faculty at various universities enjoin their students to post their work. I was wondering if it would make sense here to start publishing seminarians' papers. They come with faculty oversight and would be of sufficient quality to support reliability here. Thomas Simmons 09:28, December 19, 2008 (PST)

There is also a Wiki Site called "Patristic Wiki" that you should look at. Father John set it up recently (mid-November I think) and they are asking for people to contribute in regards to patristic related stuff .... 22:47, December 18, 2008 (UTC)
1. This is not really a place for papers, but for encyclopedia articles. If seminarians wish to write Orthodox encyclopedia articles here, they are welcome to do so.
2. PatristicsWiki is not connected with OrthodoxWiki and, as far as I know, not set up by (our) Fr. John. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 01:54, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I know that PatristicWiki is not linked with OrthodoxWiki but I mentioned it since I presume that everyone's core intention is to spread Orthodoxy in the way they know how ... who you are affiliated with wrt posting information publically is irrelevant as long as the end users are connected to God and the Truth. I had the impression (our) Father John was involved with it ... since, he monitors the emails for the Ancient Faith podcast that Dcn Matthew has been delivering - and he is from Monachos.net So doh! Vasiliki 04:03, December 19, 2008 (UTC)

ROK's Basic Teaching on Human Dignity, Freedom and Rights

I learnt recently the Russian Church adopted a Basic Teaching on Human Dignity, Freedom and Rights. Metropolitan Kyrill held a speech at a conference in Vienna in 2006 where he said this teaching is meaningful to all christans and at the UN Human Rights Council he said in 2008 adoption of human rights is unsuccessful because it fades out moral. I believe this is important. Would there be interest to have an article on this topic?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haiduk (talkcontribs) .

Perhaps you should make it a "sub-topic" under the Church of Russia since it is specific to their jurisdiction? I will give it a shot first if you want and then you can come in and edit??? Remember to sign your posts with three tilde (~) signs. Vasiliki 00:45, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad with just doing a revision. I agree adding it to Church of Russia would be adequate. It's up to you to follow Fr. Andrew advice or convince him, if that is possible Haiduk
Honestly now, with no mucking around and with respect to Father Andrew its not MY job to convince and neither do I want to convince him since I trust what he is telling me :) However, if you wish to ..since it is your own idea ...go ahead. I merely was trying to be helpful but if its not appropriate for an article I can only just go with the guy who holds the petraxili .... :) Vasiliki 14:30, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
Well, my salvation is not dependent on having such an article at OrthodoxWiki. I just wanted to ensure information about this declaration finds it's way into this community. I guess (since it is not easy to write a reasonable article on this subject) it might be better to forward it to english language blogs or forums such as monachos.net. --Haiduk 16:34, December 20, 2008 (UTC)
That's interesting, but it's really more fit for a newspaper than an encyclopedia. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 02:27, December 19, 2008 (UTC)

Orthodoxy in Italy

I think it is completely inapropriate to use the title Orthodox Church in Italy for a non official orthodox church, that exists only 17 years, when in Italy orthodoxy has a history for many centuries. As far as I can see there is an article referred to Gennadios (Zervos) of Italy and Malta (the primate of the diocese of Italy of the Ecumenical Patriarchate), but there isn't an article for his archdiocese "Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Italy". Also in the english and italian wikipedia the problem is the same. It seems as if the users who created the "Orthodox Church in Italy" articles were really quickly to catch the title! But it should remain like this? I think no. And it is, in my point of view completely unacceptable if that happens also in the "Orthodoxwiki".--Sp!ros 21:27, December 29, 2008 (UTC)

Generally, we use whatever titles such groups give themselves, noting within the article that they are not in communion with mainstream Orthodoxy, etc.
In any event, I have removed the redirect and changed all the links to Chiesa Ortodossa in Italia.
You would be most welcome to provide the articles that you suggest are needed. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 20:58, December 31, 2008 (UTC)

Archbishop Nikitas (Lulias) Cekal Archimandrit Daniel Bambang Dwi Biantoro

Pada Februari 2007 lalu, Metropolitan Orthodox Hongkong dan Asia Tenggara, His Eminence Nikitas Lulias mengeluarkan keputusan pencekalan (pembebas-tugas-an) terhadap Archimandrit Daniel Bambang Dwi Biantoro, yang artinya Archimandrit Daniel Bambang tidak diperkenankan lagi (suspended) untuk berbicara, melakukan tugas penggembalaan jemaat atas nama gereja. Meskipun archimandrit Daniel mengklaim dirinya menjadi bagian dari satu gereja tertentu, tapi yang bersangkutan tidak lagi menerima putusan/ ketetapan (Canonical Release)dari Gereja sebagaimana disyaratkan. Hal ini atas sepengetahuan Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maruli (talkcontribs) .

I'm honestly not sure what language this is, but unless you post here in English, you're not likely to get too many responses. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 18:46, January 4, 2009 (UTC)
It's Indonesian. Here's an English rendering (thanks to the ever-improving Google Translate) -- "In February 2007, the Orthodox Metropolitan Hong Kong and Southeast Asia, His Eminence Nikitas Lulias-ban issue a decision (liberator-task-an) of Archimandrit Daniel Bambang Dwi Biantoro, which means Archimandrit Daniel Bambang not be more (suspended) to speak, doing penggembalaan of the church in the name of the church. Although Daniel archimandrit claimed himself to be part of a particular church, but they no longer receive the decision / provisions (Canonical Release) from the Church, as required. This top sepengetahuan Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople." — FrJohn (talk) 02:05, January 5, 2009 (UTC)

Churches in Melbourne

I plan on uploading around one hundred photographs of churches in Melbourne to Wikimedia commons over the next few days. You are free to reuse them; all my work is released into the public domain. Hope to have done all of the Orthodox churches within a few months. Ottre 11:55, February 16, 2009 (UTC)

log in

why does no one ever log on and really have discussion on other pages? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rob (talkcontribs) .

I'm not really sure I understand what you mean. Could you explain a little more? —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 22:14, March 9, 2009 (UTC)

The Cemetery Chapel at Saint Anna's Skete?

I'm trying to remember the name of the cemetery chapel at Saint Anna's Skete on the Holy Mountain, the chapel where pilgrims generally worship on weekdays. Does anyone recall which saint the chapel venerates?

Father Andrew, is there a more likely page on this site where I might solicit a response?

Thanks, Isaak

Your best bet is at Talk:St. Anne's Skete (Athos). It may simply be that no one who knows has yet noticed and commented. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 13:42, March 20, 2009 (UTC)

John the Forerunner?

Hello, I have a question regarding the St. John the Forerunner page. It says something along the lines of, John the Baptist, also known as John the Forerunner... I was wondering if the two names should be switched, since John the Baptist is a more western term? --Iliada 00:24, March 20, 2009 (UTC)

Please direct questions about specific articles to the talk pages of those articles, e.g., Talk:John the Forerunner. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 13:42, March 20, 2009 (UTC)

Uploading sound recordings

I've tried uploading a sound recording (bell ringing) file to Orthodoxwiki Commons and have not been successful. I have tried as a Media file and a Image file, since some vocal music recording on Commons appear to be so uploaded. The recording is an mp3 file, through iTunes on a Mac. All attempts fail and bring up the warning banner of a corrupt, etc., file. I notice that there are no sound files in Commons other than those done originally by Father John last year. Has anyone tried uploading any sound files? Is there a special technique involved, what file ID is used:Media or Image, or other! Or is the upload capability not working for sound files?Wsk 13:45, March 23, 2009 (UTC)

Where is the actual wiki logo? I can't find it because the one in the corner is a link to the main page. Thanks! Theodoros 03:20, March 29, 2009 (UTC)

Theodoros, do you want it for a link button or something? — FrJohn (talk) 04:38, March 30, 2009 (UTC)

choice of a religion

Majority of us follow the religion of our parents.We are either circumcised in infancy or recited verses of a particular book in our ears declaring it as our religion before we understand its implications. When we grow up in a particular culture and society we have friends and relative we go along with them to church/synegogue/mandar or masjid.How can we when we are grown up sacrifice all our friends/ relatives by opting for another religion.How can all those whom I loved and cared about can be wrong or I will take the risk of isolation.There is hardly a very little percentage that study different religions and adopt the one that is more convincing or appeals to thier logic.In a survey conducted by me it was revealed that 80% of them have not read the divine book of thier religion in a language that they understand. Their knowledge of their religion was based upon oral communication of a preist or thier parents. We since are infancy are brain washed that we are on the right path and rest every body is an infidel and deserves to be hated or may even be killed.When over 90% of human specie follow the religion by virtue of being born in a particular family and 80% do not read even the divine book of thier religion than what difference does it make that one follows any of the religions.Asif azam

Well, I believe it doesn't matter what religion people are. In the Bible, Jesus never says that ONLY Christians get to heaven. One gets to heaven by carrying out Jesus' word: feeding the hungry, clothing the naked... --Iliada 10:45, May 12, 2009 (UTC)

Hello! I wouldn't want to explain too much here, just wanted to warmly greet you and note that you are right about most of the things. You are very fortunate to be born as an Orthodox Greek, and I believe you will be able to find a good priest near you, who can talk to you about the things you wrote here. Not everyone is so lucky to inherit from the ancestors the true faith and true worship.
We since are infancy are brain washed that we are on the right path and rest every body is an infidel and deserves to be hated or may even be killed. - I would think the opposite, that it is not the orthodox christian family and church that brainwashes us, but rather the "other" culture is having a great influence on us. And, of course, you won't be able to find hatred and "deserves to be killed" attitude in the orthodox church and family (if you still manage to do so, that would be an exception). Actually - what you are saying is a good example of that :-)
However, this is an encyclopaedia, a virtual community, the real community is in the church. Gia sou. K.panteleimon 20:12, June 24, 2009 (UTC)

New Orthodox Website Alert

Hey all, a new orthodox website has been launched ... you might all like to take a look and if anyone knows if this site needs to be referenced within any OrthodoxWiki articles can you please add as a link (if you know where).


List of Orthodox churches in a particular region

I recall that we had a discussion at one point about taking the lists off OW where possible - what was the outcome of this discussion? — by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 00:13, May 23, 2009 (UTC)

National Saints?

I couldn't find a discussion on this issue elsewhere, sorry if I repeat an issue which has already been elaborated.

The whole concept of national saints is odd to the (orthodox) christian mindset. We believe that in the Church there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gal. 3, 28).

It can also bring not little confusion, and potentially - uneccessary and unfruitful nationalistic quarrels. Look, for example, at the Saints pages on different languages - you'll find that saints listed in one national category in one language, are listed under a different nation in another language - because each nation tends to claim the saint its own.

The correct and orthodox approach is seen on the greek version of OrthodoxWiki - where the saints are categorized as we mention them in the Church - as Apostles, Martyrs, Monks etc. I guess that's why the national category Greek is missing - (metanoia to the greeks for that)!

Thus, I would like to suggest that the Saints categories of each language are reworked and the national prefix is removed. Of course the national origin of the saint can be mentioned in the text (although it can often be easily disputed), but it is not something that can categorize a saint.

K.panteleimon 21:19, May 31, 2009 (UTC)

As a Greek Orthodox, I grew up knowing Saints for who they where and what they did ... just like you point out ... this idea of "national" saints was introduced to me through the internet - it goes to show that bad habits can spring up from internet as well as the good things. If the administrators are happy to change this philosophy of "nationalism" I am happy to put in the work to change all the articles ... but there would need to be some sort of discussion between the administrators about it. Vasiliki 02:45, June 1, 2009 (UTC)
The grouping of saints into such categories is not for the purpose of nationalism, ethnocentricity, etc. Rather, it is simply for the usefulness of being able to find saints associated with particular geographic areas.
The saints are, of course, universal in a theological sense. But people from Corfu, for instance, have a great veneration for St. Spyridon because of his association with that actual place. At my parish, we venerate Raphael of Brooklyn because he founded it.
I'm of the opinion that we might want to rename the various categories to indicate place-names rather than what at least for now appears to be ethnic designations. (Mind you, some designations have no real ethnicity attached to them, e.g. "American" or "Australian.") —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 22:21, June 1, 2009 (UTC)

OrthodoxWiki on Serbian

I am interest to develop a sr.OrthodoxWiki.org page. Would anubody can help me?

Hi there. There used to be a serbian version, if I'm not wrong, the responsible person was Далибор Ђурић, a theology student at the faculty of Belgrade (That was written on his user page). However, I don't know what exactly Fr. John meant with this OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza#Closing_down_OrthodoxSource_and_SR if SR was the serbian version... K.panteleimon 20:00, June 23, 2009 (UTC)
Hi! Yes, we closed it does since it had sat uncared for for a long time and didn't have much content to begin with. If you can put a team together, and translate the necessary policy docs, I'd be happy to see this take off again! — FrJohn (talk)