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In a monastery, a trapeza (or refectory), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in—ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here. For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the Community Portal.

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• Archive 1, Feb 2005 – Dec 2005 (formerly the Anything Goes page)
• Archive 2, Feb 2005 – Aug 2006 (formerly the Questions page)
• Archive 3, Oct 2005 – Aug 2006 (moved from Talk:Main Page)
• Archive 4, Aug 2006 – Dec 2006 (2006 Trapeza archive)
• Archive 5, Dec 2006 – Nov 2008
• Archive 6, Nov 2008 – Mar 2011
• Archive 7, May 2011 – Jan 2015
• Archive 8, Feb 2015 – Jan 2020

Topics

If I was to work on a prayer book comparison, what prayer / attributes should I include?

I'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission to post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I'd investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. So I'm wondering if people like this idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(s) to include. My initial thought is the prayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a line, depending on the translation, like "Be merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds." or "God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good in Your sight." Thanks and thanks to the admins for my new shiny account, -Dclark (talk) 16:38, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Also, as this forum doesn't seem to be super-active, and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in getting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I've created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that it'll send you an email with a link you have to follow, so be sure to check your spam/trash if you don't get anything after a minute or two. -Dclark (talk) 17:17, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

For Discussion: Could Early Modern English be added as a separate language to the wiki?

I'm trying to figure out the best way to include text in both Early Modern English and Contemporary English versions, and I've come to the conclusion that the cleanest way to do this may be to have Early Modern English as a separate language on the wiki, so all the MediaWiki functionality regarding translations could be utilized. I'm in no way wedded to this idea, and of course I need to convince the admins to do this. So, thoughts? -Dclark (talk) 17:25, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

How much content do you think would be in Early Modern English? This is a small wiki: why would we separate it out into even smaller bits? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 17:40, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

Good Point; probably not worth it. My aim was just to preserve the information in the archaic English without having to look at it if you don't want to; but thinking about it I can just put a link to the public domain source material, and if anyone really wants the old english the onus can be on them to figure out how to do it nicely :-) -Dclark (talk) 18:29, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I think it's worth having here, too. Just make a page like Name/Old English or include it in the relevant source or something. We had a source document sister project for a bit but it was unsustainable. I don't think anyone would complain about you porting over public domain Old English sources that are relevant to Orthodoxy. Please do! -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 19:47, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

Oh nifty, do you remember the URL of the sister project? I'd love to just take a look around with archive.org to see what people were thinking would be cool back then :-) -Dclark (talk) 20:59, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

Having a hard time finding it (just did 15 minutes poking around page histories and Internet Archive myself) but you can see the link on the Commons homepage: https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page the old "Osource:" prefix is long deleted. As I recall, it never hosted much and really, it could just be combined into the appropriate language edition with scans or recordings going to commons. If you are adventurous, you can probably find it yourself in the Trapeza archives somewhere. If you really need to find it, let me know. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:41, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

Sweet, that was enough to find https://web.archive.org/web/20081225074135/http://www.orthodoxsource.org/Main_Page thanks! -Dclark (talk) 00:11, March 11, 2020 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks for editing, D. Hope to see you around some. I'm not very active here but I do pop in from time to time and I watch the Trapeza (obviously). Let me know if you need anything else. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 00:36, March 11, 2020 (UTC)

Anyone on / want to be on a Discord server?

No one's been on the IRC channel any time I've been around, and I believe none of the other IRC channels re: Orthodoxy I've found have been active either. Although I love IRC from a political and technical POV, Discord seems to have supplanted it for most people. I'm currently on all 8 of the Orthodoxy-related Discord servers I've found, checking them out. Does anyone else use Discord? If so, what server / username? (I'm Dclark). Perhaps we could petition the admins on whatever server we all mutually use to make an #OrthodoxWiki channel on their Discord server for us. -Dclark (talk) 16:57, March 17, 2020 (UTC)

Call for new editors in this time of pandemic?

How would people feel about doing a call for new editors on various Orthodox fora? My thought is that the pandemic is giving some people a whole lot to do, but a lot of other people a lot of hurry up and waiting to do. I know that the minor edits I've been doing recently have helped me feel like there is more purpose to my days, and have been a welcome focus away from the news. On the other hand, I can see that, especially if worded poorly, such a call could seem callous and disrespectful. -Dclark (talk) 19:08, March 22, 2020 (UTC)

I think that's valuable for society and for this wiki, in its own tiny way. Finding something useful to do is a good way to keep from going stir-crazy or feeling despondent. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:05, March 22, 2020 (UTC)

Hi! As far as conversation and whatnot, things here have been pretty quiet for a LONG time. I'd be on more, but Coronavirus or not, I've not got a whole lot of time. If I'm here, I'm usually over at the Orthodox Blogs page. I've been on OrthodoxWiki since 2005; a lot of the people who contributed a lot in the early days did so in the days before full-time jobs and families and the like.  ;) It's always been a struggle to get new people who stick around - I'm not a mod, but it's great to have more activity here!

Katjuscha (talk) 03:23, April 2, 2020 (UTC)

Could an admin add this CSS that gives icons to youtube and reddit links (like facebook)?

Could an admin add this to the appropriate place? https://orthodoxwiki.org/User:Dclark/common.css
It gives icons to youtube and reddit links, like the facebook icons you can see at Livestreams.
Also you might want to add the padding-right: 0px to facebook and any other pre-existing instances of icons, as there is a bug where a big space is inserted after the link which looks ugly, e.g. in "here." there is no space in the wikitext between the link and the period, there is just an unfortunate 13px padding for some reason.
Thanks!
(Note: If you want to add icons to other links, the awesome font icons are all listed at https://astronautweb.co/snippet/font-awesome/)
(Note 2: There is a bug in all of these icons, including the pre-existing facebook, where it puts an icon in the TOC if just the word is in the heading. Ideally the CSS for mine and the existing facebook icon should be edited so it doesn't do this, but this is beyond my CSS capabilities.)

-Dclark (talk) 17:51, April 12, 2020 (UTC)

Just thought I'd do a *gentle nudge* on this as I noticed the remote services page is now linked to from the front page. If no one wants to do this I'll do it, I believe someone just needs to give me access to https://orthodoxwiki.org/MediaWiki:Common.css --Dclark (talk) 13:09, April 26, 2022 (UTC)

just a note about a Canadian Orthodox History Wiki

I stumbled across this the other day - definitely not the same as OrthodoxWiki, but interesting nonetheless: https://orthodoxcanada.ca/Main_Page Katjuscha (talk) 03:02, November 20, 2022 (UTC)

Aligning Templates to Right/Left, allowing text to wrap.

Hello, everyone! For those on the New Calendar -- Christ is born! For those of us who aren't, we've still got a couple of weeks.

Right now I am trying to create/update the lives of the Prophets and I have created a template for a series on their lives and not the Prophetical books themselves, as that has already been created and done well.

I am having a problem with text not being able to wrap around the template no matter what tag I add to the template or articles themselves, leaving quite a gap between the body of text and the bottom of the page. I know this does not look good and I am hoping to fix that.

Could anyone take a look at if there are any issues in my Template:OTProphets to find where my error might be coming from? Or am I missing a tag that should be added during article editing? I primarily borrowed a suggested template from Wikipedia with some additions.

Please let me know if you're able to help me out here.

In Christ, Ioannplyler (talk) 06:28, December 30, 2022 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for your work. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 07:04, December 30, 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Justin! That is so much nicer. I will be back on tomorrow to make some more additions to the minor prophets as I summarize the Synaxarion readings. Ioannplyler (talk) 07:16, December 30, 2022 (UTC)