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== Holy Trinity Metafor ==
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== a hello on a new page ==
  
Hello,  
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So...  My goal is to get to 4900 on unique articles before too long.  I'd definitely eventually like to see the 4 flip to a 5...  :)  There's a lot of stuff out there that could be written about.  Take care!  [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 20:28, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
  
Reading about the material universe, noticed that there are 3 infinities (or mysteries) that define our world:
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: Sounds great,  [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]]! Please note this previous discussion on [[OrthodoxWiki:Administrators#Eliminating_directory_articles|Eliminating_directory_articles]] - there is certainly room for overviews and histories, but a major problem with making a directory of parishes is that things can get out of date very quickly. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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::Understood.  :)  As far as the Bulgarian diocese page, I figured I'd just clean it up a bit since it's been sitting there with some VERY old information (priests' names, for example) for a couple of years.  As it was a priest in the diocese referenced who posted the info in the first place, I didn't necessarily want to just clear out the whole thing. Hope that reasoning makes some sense.  :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:35, May 12, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Certainly, thanks! And again, background / historical info is great. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
  
1. --- The immensity of space-time, the boundless universe than nobody can say for sure how big it is, where it ends. Sure there are some theories that are accepted by most scientists, but also big anomalies if you apply the theory, that need to be corrected with inventions such as "dark matter" or "string theory" to fill in for obvious gaps.
 
  
2. --- The "small infinity" or mystery of the subatomic universe. We split the atoms in so many sub-particles, and the latest belief is that in fact all the matter is a concentration of energy. But where does matter end and pure energy begins?
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== A note on something I noticed ==
  
I may be overcomplicating here, but it's just so poetic to notice how the science laws of the big universe and the small universe are in disagreement with each-other when it comes to apply the macrocosmos laws to microcosmos or the other way around, as if God intended things to be mysterious and impenetrable for the human mind.  
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Fr. John, the updates look great, thank you for the hard work!  :)  I've noticed a couple of little hiccups, but it looks like most of them have been smoothed out (the captcha acting silly, for one).  This isn't a big thing at all, but under "Special Pages", the "active users list" doesn't work anymore.  It always shows no active users, and a note that it's a cached page that might be up to 101 days old. (This number gets bigger all the time.) I think somewhere this stat must still be working, because I think on the statistics page, it does show the actual number of active users, but when you click on that, it brings you to the page that shows none. Hope you are well!  :)  [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 13:05, May 19, 2016 (UTC)
  
3. --- The infinite complexity of life and intelligence. The connections in our brain are said to be more than all the stars in the universe. But how can this complexity come to be in only 4 billon years since our Earth is said to exist. This level of organisation of matter, first level: life, second level: intelligent life are both just unconceivable by science.  
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: Hmm... there is this bug report: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89027. I also tried clearing caches, running the Special Pages update script... didn't work. Since this is reflected on [[Special:RecentChanges|RecentChanges]], I don't think it is critical, but I am glad you pointed it out.
  
I want to ask you: could these 3 "infinities" be a reflection of the Holy Trinity in the material world? Or what is the theological view about those mysteries?
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== author credits? ==
  
Thank you
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I was under the impression that articles on this wiki (other than protected pages that are reprinted by permission) are not supposed to have 'authorship' mentioned in the article.  A couple months ago, I removed something like this from the article [[Holy Trinity Church (San Francisco, California)]], but now the "author" has put the credit to himself as author back in.  He's also given himself credit on the article [[Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral (San Francisco, California)]], but at least he references back to an article he wrote that was posted elsewhere on the internet.  Not being a sysop or anything, I don't want to get into an edit war here.  [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 02:09, May 23, 2016 (UTC)
Mihai
 
  
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:The author trail is preserved in page history, and not typically in attribution on the page. I'm not too worried about this, but, especially, if someone else substantially revises/addes to the articles, I have no problem with them remove the author attribution either. By submitting content to the wiki, they have agreed to license it according to [[OrthodoxWiki:Copyright|our copyright policy]].
  
== New category ==
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==St. Ioann Listvinnik?==
I was thinking of adding a category to be called '''"Propitiatory Offerings"''' where all of the things that are offered to God can be grouped together, inluding: [[Artoklasia]], [[Kollyva]], [[Proskomedia]], [[Molieben]], [[Incense]], [[Myrrh]], [[Votive Offerings]], and things of this nature. Propitiatory Offerings in the Old Testament consisted mainly of sacrifices; in the Orthodox Church we have this new array of elements. Any ideas or comments? Is it accurate to describe it this way? Thanks and cheers. [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 20:34, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
  
: Propitiation is a problematic concept for Orthodoxy and one I wouldn't be willing to endorse (e.g., I would never say, "We offer up incense as a propitiation to God")That said, though, I've never heard of these things really being grouped together in traditional Orthodox writings&mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 14:05, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
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I've been reading a bit about historic churches in Alaska, and I saw mentioned that in Tigalda (Tigalda Island, perhaps), a church was consecrated in 1844, dedicated to St. Ioann ListvinnikAnybody know if this is correct or that it might be in error?  Thanks:)  [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:13, June 6, 2016 (UTC)
  
:: Thanks for the clarification Father, cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 14:09, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
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Question:
  
== Calendar Days ==
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When it comes to posting biographical information, should we have some sort of policy shying away from posting too much information about living people, especially Americans, due to identity theft issues?  For people born between 1970-2011, and in particular from about 1987-2011, when you have some combination of family name, birthplace, and exact date of birth, it becomes easier to guess social security numbers, especially if someone was born in a state with a smaller population. I understand that much of this information is publicly available; I just would rather not have OrthodoxWiki be the "to-go" place for people looking to steal the identities of well-known Orthodox personalities.  My general policy has been to not post exact dates of birth for people in this age range, being as that seems to be the least relevant item for OrthodoxWiki, and probably the most sensitive for identity theft, but then I see someone here who keeps putting that information back up.
Greetings. I had a look over at Wikipedia at their Orthodox "Calendar day" pages, and I liked how the pages were set up; instead of a block paragraph, with all the daily Saints blocked together as we have them here, they list them in a neatly ordered list (with bullets). This list could even be arranged chronologically for that particular day (i.e. with the oldest-in-time Saints listed first, the most recent saint for that day listed last).  
 
  
Here is an example from Wikipedia for [[w:June 4 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)|JUNE 4th]]. I would like to go into all of our Calendar Day pages for the entire year (all 365 days), and make the change form paragraph to list form, for ease of reading and better visual (and chronological) access. Would this be okay / sound good / any objections? (I don't mind doing the work). Cheers, [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 11:52, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
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*[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070602955.html Washington Post article about guessing Social Security Numbers]
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*[https://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html The new system of assigning Social Security Numbers] Social Security Administration official site
  
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: Not sure about the SSNs, but I do think in general we should exercise some discretion in posting details about living people. Wikipedia practice can be a guide here. Obviously, things like biographies and general biographical sketches are fine, especially when this information is not controversial and someone is a public figure already. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 17:53, August 23, 2016 (UTC)
  
I saw the following in my twitter feed:
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== August 6 and November 8 ==
  
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They represent the mid-season days, standing half-way between the solstice and the equinox. The same holds true for Saint Valentine's Day, which however is not celebrated liturgically in the East.
  
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* Summer Solstice: Birth of Saint John the Baptist (June 24).
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* Mid-Summer: Transfiguration of Christ (August 6).
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* Autumn Equinox: Conception of Saint John the Baptist (September 23).
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* Mid-Autumn: Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel (November 8).
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* Winter Solstice: Christmas (December 25).
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* Mid-Winter: Saint Valentine's Day (February 14, West only).
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* Spring Equinox: Annunciation (March 25).
  
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There is no particular Mid-Spring Feast (roughly around May 10), mostly because of the fact that such symbolism would have been swallowed up by the [[Great Feast]]s tied to the [[Pascha]]l cycle, such as [[Palm Sunday]], [[Easter]] [[Sunday]], [[Ascension]], and [[Pentecost]] (or Whit Sunday), depending on how early or how late they fall in the year. In the East, [[Candlemas]] seems to have swallowed up all the agricultural symbolism which would normally have been associated with a mid-February celebration (not that this does not happen to some extent in the West as well, see ''Groundhog Day'').  
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I think that this information might be useful and interesting, but I have no idea ''where'' to add it exactly. &mdash; [[User:Luci83ro|Luci83ro]] ([[User talk:Luci83ro|talk]]) 02:51, September 23, 2016 (UTC)
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FYI.
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==Two questions==
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'''Please advise''' I like the category navigation at the bottom of the page which shows the entire category tree. Can someone tell me how this was set up for this wiki? Also, I would be interested in writing about [[Anabaptism]] and [[Quakerism]] and see how these [[Radical Christian]] branches would be viewed by the Orthodox and how these communities have interacted in the past. I understand the point of view on this site is Orthodox and the scope is mostly about Orthodoxy--would articles like this be welcome here? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 23:24, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
  
[[User:JonathansCornerCom|JonathansCornerCom]] 12:11, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
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:Hi Justin. I don't think there is any special plugin for the categories - this is just normal MediaWiki functionality. About the Anabaptists and Quakers, I think an article about specific history of relations, theological dialogues, etc. could be interesting. I don't think this is the place for an exhaustive treatment of AnabaptistQuaker theology - hope that makes sense. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:23, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::'''Theological discussions''' It does and that's consistent with what I thought was the case. I know that some Anabaptists traded letters with Eastern Christians during the Radical Reformation when they were being persecuted unto death by Catholics and Protestants. I'm not sure how many sources there are on this but I'd like to know. Furthermore, I'd be interested in seeing what some Orthodox perspectives would be on these groups. Thanks--I will try to get together the sources sometime to draft up an article. If anyone else has feedback, please let me know. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 01:39, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
  
: It's been fixed.  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 18:20, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
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::: I'd be interested to learn more about these dialogues — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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::::'''Dialogues''' This is very non-academic but it's where I first heard about these exchanges: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/3gmiay/how_do_catholic_and_orthodox_users_here_view_the/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1itf5x/to_nonprotestants_what_should_the_reformers_have/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1tx8r2/how_do_eastern_orthodox_view_protestants/ and then did some Internet searches. It would be nice if I could get something more substantial. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 05:27, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
  
Thanks! Great!
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:::One thing to keep in mind for OrthodoxWiki is that we aim to be encyclopedia like, meaning the focus is on the ''who, what, where, and when'' rather than personal interpretation. Following Wikipedia, we have called this the "[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view "neutral point of view"], although we also have an [[OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual_(Point_of_View)|"Orthodox bias"]].
  
[[User:JonathansCornerCom|JonathansCornerCom]] 22:41, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
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== ru.orthodoxwiki closure ==
 
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I decided to discuss the matter of the closure of the russian languge edition of the orthodoxwiki because of enduring lack of activity. Precisely, there is no activity at all. I have wrote to Main page talk about that, but recived no answers see [[:ru:Обсуждение:Заглавная страница]]. I want to note that for almost 12 years of existence of ru.orthodoxwiki.org I was the first who left a message at that talk page. The project is completely dead, and no reason to expect its revival. To make sure of this you can take a look at the list of [https://ru.orthodoxwiki.org/Служебная:Новые_страницы most recently created articles]. At the same time, Easern Orthodox subjects are successfully developing in the Russian Wikipedia and the Free Orthodox Encyclopaedia "Drevo" (http://drevo-info.ru). A few existing ru.orthodoxwiki articles can be transferred to "Drevo". ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 12:35, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
== List of Enlighterners/Illuminators/Equals-to-the-Apostles ==
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: As a point of order, I would propose that we keep the content and have a banner that says that the site can be reactivated with simple instructions on how it can be started up again (i.e. ask an admin here at the Trapeza). -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 19:57, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
 
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:: There is no reason to protect ru.orthodoxwiki from editing beacause no one else wanted to edit it. ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 22:11, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
I realize that the purpose of the wiki structure is to allow anyone to edit. I hope OW will forgive my impertinence in merely suggesting (as opposed to creating myself) that it would be useful to have a list (or lists) corresponding to the different saint titles at [[ illuminator ]].
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::: Thanks for bringing this up. I'm fine with deletion, as long as we can be assured that no significant contributions will be lost. There are 412 content pages listed at [[ru:Служебная:Статистика]]. I am fine with moving things to [http://drevo-info.ru/ Drevo-info.ru] IF their license is compatible. (I did not find licensing information there.) Otherwise or additionally [https://ru.wikipedia.org ru.wikipedia.org]. You can see what we have done with Archived Localizations at [[OrthodoxWiki:Localization#Archived_Localizations]]. What do you recommend? — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 19:54, January 27, 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::: About 10 years ago the articles from OrthodoxWiki were often translated into "Drevo" from english language. And then the rules become more stringent and it was not recommended to link to Wikipedia and Wikidedia-like projects. The Drevo use is's content for non-commercial purposes. In this way, the Drevo articles copied to Wikipedia violates the copyrights. ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 11:26, January 29, 2018 (UTC)
I've thought of this because an LDS poster on a message board I frequent challenged non-LDS to name five of our own missionaries "whose exploits rival that of the LDS missionary work."
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:::: Of course, I wanted to move the articles first, and then delete ru.orthodoxwiki. But first I wanted to hear an answer. Now I have heard it. ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 14:57, January 29, 2018 (UTC)
: I think the OW category 'Missionaries' covers this with an extensive list. An article over a list of missionaries would be rather long! [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 01:22, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
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::::: Thank you for taking care of this. The licensing is a little tricky, since both the GFDL and the CC-BY-SA licenses do not allow republishing of derivative work under a more restrictive license. My recommendation, if the people at Drevo will allow it, is to move all articles there and include a note about source and licensing. All authors should be given appropriate credit. A workaround is if the authors of an article agree to re-license their work under Drevo's terms. For example, if you are the author of the whole of an article (or the article was taken fully from Drevo) there is no issue at all moving it there. I have no idea how Copyright law is structured or enforced in Russia. As you know, the GFDL and CC-BY-SA licenses do not prohibit for-profit use—however any for-profit use is seriously compromised by the "viral" nature of these open source licenses (since any derivative work must likewise be open sourced). In any case, please let me know when content has been moved and I will go ahead and remove the RU wiki. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 21:14, January 30, 2018 (UTC)
: Thanks for the response WSK! I'm not seeing the category for 'Missionaries'...what am I missing? [[User:Jkotinek|Jkotinek]] 19:57, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
: NM. Found it. = ) [[User:Jkotinek|Jkotinek]] 20:00, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Confesion ==
 
 
 
Where may I find info abour Confession?  I did a search for that subject & coldn't fnd it. After a long absence from Church, I returned in February 2012.  I've had four o five cnfessions snce then.  Every tme I try to confess, I'm often fogettng sins.  Dad told me it's okay to say "I can't recall others, but I read that it's not ok
 
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Brooklyn, NY
 
Thank you Irene Nikolsky
 
 
 
:: I think it's good to talk with a priest, but also you might find some helpful resources at http://stspress.com/ or http://svspress.com - — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 16:34, May 12, 2012 (HST)
 
 
 
== Basic Information ==
 
 
 
Is there a website that helps people and/or teenagers with basic Q&As about our religion?  I have teen son, who was baptized Orthodox. Because my church is in Russian he doesn't want to go. I thought if  I could find basic info for him, then he'd believe me that there are English speaking Eastern Orthodox members.
 
Thank you,
 
Irene Nikolsky
 
Broolyn, NY
 
 
 
:: Greetings Irene. Of course, there are A LOT of English-speaking (and non-Russian) Orthodox people -- For Q+A, you might try http://orthodoxanswers.org/ -- — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
 

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So... My goal is to get to 4900 on unique articles before too long. I'd definitely eventually like to see the 4 flip to a 5...  :) There's a lot of stuff out there that could be written about. Take care! Katjuscha (talk) 20:28, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds great, Katjuscha! Please note this previous discussion on Eliminating_directory_articles - there is certainly room for overviews and histories, but a major problem with making a directory of parishes is that things can get out of date very quickly. — FrJohn (talk)
Understood.  :) As far as the Bulgarian diocese page, I figured I'd just clean it up a bit since it's been sitting there with some VERY old information (priests' names, for example) for a couple of years. As it was a priest in the diocese referenced who posted the info in the first place, I didn't necessarily want to just clear out the whole thing. Hope that reasoning makes some sense.  :) Katjuscha (talk) 01:35, May 12, 2016 (UTC)
Certainly, thanks! And again, background / historical info is great. — FrJohn (talk)


A note on something I noticed

Fr. John, the updates look great, thank you for the hard work!  :) I've noticed a couple of little hiccups, but it looks like most of them have been smoothed out (the captcha acting silly, for one). This isn't a big thing at all, but under "Special Pages", the "active users list" doesn't work anymore. It always shows no active users, and a note that it's a cached page that might be up to 101 days old. (This number gets bigger all the time.) I think somewhere this stat must still be working, because I think on the statistics page, it does show the actual number of active users, but when you click on that, it brings you to the page that shows none. Hope you are well!  :) Katjuscha (talk) 13:05, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm... there is this bug report: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89027. I also tried clearing caches, running the Special Pages update script... didn't work. Since this is reflected on RecentChanges, I don't think it is critical, but I am glad you pointed it out.

author credits?

I was under the impression that articles on this wiki (other than protected pages that are reprinted by permission) are not supposed to have 'authorship' mentioned in the article. A couple months ago, I removed something like this from the article Holy Trinity Church (San Francisco, California), but now the "author" has put the credit to himself as author back in. He's also given himself credit on the article Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral (San Francisco, California), but at least he references back to an article he wrote that was posted elsewhere on the internet. Not being a sysop or anything, I don't want to get into an edit war here. Katjuscha (talk) 02:09, May 23, 2016 (UTC)

The author trail is preserved in page history, and not typically in attribution on the page. I'm not too worried about this, but, especially, if someone else substantially revises/addes to the articles, I have no problem with them remove the author attribution either. By submitting content to the wiki, they have agreed to license it according to our copyright policy.

St. Ioann Listvinnik?

I've been reading a bit about historic churches in Alaska, and I saw mentioned that in Tigalda (Tigalda Island, perhaps), a church was consecrated in 1844, dedicated to St. Ioann Listvinnik. Anybody know if this is correct or that it might be in error? Thanks.  :) Katjuscha (talk) 01:13, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Question:

When it comes to posting biographical information, should we have some sort of policy shying away from posting too much information about living people, especially Americans, due to identity theft issues? For people born between 1970-2011, and in particular from about 1987-2011, when you have some combination of family name, birthplace, and exact date of birth, it becomes easier to guess social security numbers, especially if someone was born in a state with a smaller population. I understand that much of this information is publicly available; I just would rather not have OrthodoxWiki be the "to-go" place for people looking to steal the identities of well-known Orthodox personalities. My general policy has been to not post exact dates of birth for people in this age range, being as that seems to be the least relevant item for OrthodoxWiki, and probably the most sensitive for identity theft, but then I see someone here who keeps putting that information back up.

Not sure about the SSNs, but I do think in general we should exercise some discretion in posting details about living people. Wikipedia practice can be a guide here. Obviously, things like biographies and general biographical sketches are fine, especially when this information is not controversial and someone is a public figure already. — FrJohn (talk) 17:53, August 23, 2016 (UTC)

August 6 and November 8

They represent the mid-season days, standing half-way between the solstice and the equinox. The same holds true for Saint Valentine's Day, which however is not celebrated liturgically in the East.

  • Summer Solstice: Birth of Saint John the Baptist (June 24).
  • Mid-Summer: Transfiguration of Christ (August 6).
  • Autumn Equinox: Conception of Saint John the Baptist (September 23).
  • Mid-Autumn: Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel (November 8).
  • Winter Solstice: Christmas (December 25).
  • Mid-Winter: Saint Valentine's Day (February 14, West only).
  • Spring Equinox: Annunciation (March 25).

There is no particular Mid-Spring Feast (roughly around May 10), mostly because of the fact that such symbolism would have been swallowed up by the Great Feasts tied to the Paschal cycle, such as Palm Sunday, Easter Sunday, Ascension, and Pentecost (or Whit Sunday), depending on how early or how late they fall in the year. In the East, Candlemas seems to have swallowed up all the agricultural symbolism which would normally have been associated with a mid-February celebration (not that this does not happen to some extent in the West as well, see Groundhog Day).

I think that this information might be useful and interesting, but I have no idea where to add it exactly. — Luci83ro (talk) 02:51, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Two questions

Please advise I like the category navigation at the bottom of the page which shows the entire category tree. Can someone tell me how this was set up for this wiki? Also, I would be interested in writing about Anabaptism and Quakerism and see how these Radical Christian branches would be viewed by the Orthodox and how these communities have interacted in the past. I understand the point of view on this site is Orthodox and the scope is mostly about Orthodoxy--would articles like this be welcome here? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 23:24, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Justin. I don't think there is any special plugin for the categories - this is just normal MediaWiki functionality. About the Anabaptists and Quakers, I think an article about specific history of relations, theological dialogues, etc. could be interesting. I don't think this is the place for an exhaustive treatment of AnabaptistQuaker theology - hope that makes sense. — FrJohn (talk) 01:23, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
Theological discussions It does and that's consistent with what I thought was the case. I know that some Anabaptists traded letters with Eastern Christians during the Radical Reformation when they were being persecuted unto death by Catholics and Protestants. I'm not sure how many sources there are on this but I'd like to know. Furthermore, I'd be interested in seeing what some Orthodox perspectives would be on these groups. Thanks--I will try to get together the sources sometime to draft up an article. If anyone else has feedback, please let me know. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 01:39, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
I'd be interested to learn more about these dialogues — FrJohn (talk)
Dialogues This is very non-academic but it's where I first heard about these exchanges: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/3gmiay/how_do_catholic_and_orthodox_users_here_view_the/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1itf5x/to_nonprotestants_what_should_the_reformers_have/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1tx8r2/how_do_eastern_orthodox_view_protestants/ and then did some Internet searches. It would be nice if I could get something more substantial. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 05:27, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
One thing to keep in mind for OrthodoxWiki is that we aim to be encyclopedia like, meaning the focus is on the who, what, where, and when rather than personal interpretation. Following Wikipedia, we have called this the ""neutral point of view", although we also have an "Orthodox bias".

ru.orthodoxwiki closure

I decided to discuss the matter of the closure of the russian languge edition of the orthodoxwiki because of enduring lack of activity. Precisely, there is no activity at all. I have wrote to Main page talk about that, but recived no answers see ru:Обсуждение:Заглавная страница. I want to note that for almost 12 years of existence of ru.orthodoxwiki.org I was the first who left a message at that talk page. The project is completely dead, and no reason to expect its revival. To make sure of this you can take a look at the list of most recently created articles. At the same time, Easern Orthodox subjects are successfully developing in the Russian Wikipedia and the Free Orthodox Encyclopaedia "Drevo" (http://drevo-info.ru). A few existing ru.orthodoxwiki articles can be transferred to "Drevo". ~ Чръный человек (talk) 12:35, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

As a point of order, I would propose that we keep the content and have a banner that says that the site can be reactivated with simple instructions on how it can be started up again (i.e. ask an admin here at the Trapeza). -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 19:57, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
There is no reason to protect ru.orthodoxwiki from editing beacause no one else wanted to edit it. ~ Чръный человек (talk) 22:11, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing this up. I'm fine with deletion, as long as we can be assured that no significant contributions will be lost. There are 412 content pages listed at. I am fine with moving things to Drevo-info.ru IF their license is compatible. (I did not find licensing information there.) Otherwise or additionally ru.wikipedia.org. You can see what we have done with Archived Localizations at OrthodoxWiki:Localization#Archived_Localizations. What do you recommend? — FrJohn (talk) 19:54, January 27, 2018 (UTC)
About 10 years ago the articles from OrthodoxWiki were often translated into "Drevo" from english language. And then the rules become more stringent and it was not recommended to link to Wikipedia and Wikidedia-like projects. The Drevo use is's content for non-commercial purposes. In this way, the Drevo articles copied to Wikipedia violates the copyrights. ~ Чръный человек (talk) 11:26, January 29, 2018 (UTC)
Of course, I wanted to move the articles first, and then delete ru.orthodoxwiki. But first I wanted to hear an answer. Now I have heard it. ~ Чръный человек (talk) 14:57, January 29, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for taking care of this. The licensing is a little tricky, since both the GFDL and the CC-BY-SA licenses do not allow republishing of derivative work under a more restrictive license. My recommendation, if the people at Drevo will allow it, is to move all articles there and include a note about source and licensing. All authors should be given appropriate credit. A workaround is if the authors of an article agree to re-license their work under Drevo's terms. For example, if you are the author of the whole of an article (or the article was taken fully from Drevo) there is no issue at all moving it there. I have no idea how Copyright law is structured or enforced in Russia. As you know, the GFDL and CC-BY-SA licenses do not prohibit for-profit use—however any for-profit use is seriously compromised by the "viral" nature of these open source licenses (since any derivative work must likewise be open sourced). In any case, please let me know when content has been moved and I will go ahead and remove the RU wiki. — FrJohn (talk) 21:14, January 30, 2018 (UTC)