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In a monastery, a '''[[refectory|trapeza]]''' (or ''refectory''), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation. The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in - ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here. For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the [[OrthodoxWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]]. [[Category:OrthodoxWiki]]
 
 
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 1|Archive 1]], Feb - Dec 2005 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Anything_Goes&oldid=22917 Anything Goes] page)
 
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 2|Archive 2]], Feb 2005 - Aug 2006 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Questions&oldid=37973 Questions] page)
 
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 2|Archive 3]], Oct 2005 - Aug 2006 (moved from [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&oldid=37962 Talk:Main Page])
 
 
 
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=Introduction=
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In a monastery, a '''[[refectory|trapeza]]''' (or ''refectory''), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in&mdash;ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here.  For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the [[OrthodoxWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]]. 
  
== Orthodox Dictionary ==
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'''If you have questions or comments about specific articles''', please direct them to the Talk pages of those articles so that they will be seen by editors working on them.
 
 
English - Russian - Greek - Romanian - Finnish - Swedish
 
-> http://www.ortodoksi.net/dict/search.php
 
[[User:HAP|HAP]] 00:47, January 5, 2007 (PST)
 
 
 
==Barnstar==
 
'''Asserted:'''  We need to have an OrthodoxWiki [[w:Wikipedia:Barnstars|barnstar]].  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Dcn. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 20:06, August 16, 2006 (CDT)
 
:Go for it! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
 
 
 
==Project Ideas==
 
Check out the discussion of project ideas at [[OrthodoxWiki:Project Ideas]].
 
 
 
==The Real Presence==
 
 
 
How about a discussion of the real Presence according to Orthodoxy?  It is hard to find good articles on this important topic online, and [[Eucharist]] is too brief in this regard.  [[User:Willibald|Willibald]] 23:59, August 23, 2006 (CDT)
 
 
 
==Interwiki==
 
Hello, I would like to request someone to put in [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] the relevant interwiki '''<nowiki>[[bg:Специални:Recentchanges]]</nowiki>''' to the bulgarian recent changes special page. Thanks.
 
:P.S. And... I would like to make a proposal: [[:metawikipedia:DPLforum|this extension]] acts like a forum inside the wiki and is better for discussions. [[User:Gregg|Gregg]] 17:38, August 26, 2006 (CDT)
 
:I've added the interwiki link and installed the forum extension. Haven't tested it out, but let's try it and see how it works. There's a sample forum [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Index here]. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
 
::More help about the forum can be found [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Forums here]. --[[User:Gregg|Gregg]] 00:59, August 31, 2006 (CDT)
 
[[Category:OrthodoxWiki]]
 
[[bg:Project:Трапеза]]
 
 
 
== Language Boxes ==
 
 
 
Anyone interested in porting over some of the language templates (the boxes that indicate user proficiency) from Wikipedia? It might be helpful in identifying people re: the various localizations. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
 
 
 
:I have started to do just that. Here is my personal [[User:Hellenica/Babel|"Babel project"]] with some of the work I've been attempting. I suppose recent changes and my user contributions would also provide a similar look. I hope the progress is satisfactory. [[User:Hellenica|Hellenica]] 21:46, November 30, 2006 (PST)
 
 
 
::I'm definitely liking these wikipedia imports, Hellenica. The language boxes are extremely useful (Spanish, anyone?), and the personal user ones are just fun.[[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 20:49, December 1, 2006 (PST)
 
 
 
== Cathedral of St. Petersburg, Russia ==
 
 
 
I've looked throughout the interweb and I simply can't find any place that says what the main cathedral of St. Petersburg is.  Is it the Transfiguration?  Kazan?  I would think St. Isaac's would be "it" but non confirmation.  Any help?
 
 
 
~N
 
 
 
*This may not be true today, but in the late Soviet days (1988, when I visited the city) when the present Partriarch Alexei was the diocesan bishop in, then, Leningrad he held services in Trinity Cathedral (the one recently damaged by fire) in the Alexander Nevesky Monastery, Lavra. Then, the Kazan Cathedral was a museum and St Issac's was closed. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 12:16, December 3, 2006 (PST)
 
 
 
*It appears to be Kazansky cathedral, re-open in 1998: http://www.kazansky-spb.ru
 
 
 
==Romanian speakers: pls help ro.orthodoxwiki.org project==
 
If you speak Romanian, please help also [http://ro.orthodoxwiki.org/ ro.orthodoxwiki.org] - Fr.Julian
 
  
Dacă vorbiţi româneşte, nu ezitaţi să daţi o mână de ajutor şi proiectului ro: [http://ro.orthodoxwiki.org/ ro.orthodoxwiki.org] - p.iulian [[User:Inistea|Inistea]] 14:30, December 7, 2006 (PST)
 
  
== WikEd editing tool ==
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[[Category:OrthodoxWiki]]  [[bg:Project:Трапеза]] [[el:OrthodoxWiki:Τράπεζα]] [[fr:OrthodoxWiki:La Cafétéria]] [[mk:Православна-енциклопедија:Трпеза]] [[ro:OrthodoxWiki:Cafenea]]
  
I've recently been using the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cacycle/wikEd WikEd tool] on Wikipedia, with success. The author says it should work on other wikis running the latest WikiMedia software, which I know we do. Can someone with more technical knowledge than I take a gander at the page and let me know if the tool would work here? Thanks.  --[[User:Cholmes75|cholmes75]] 08:13, December 20, 2006 (PST)
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=Archives=
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 1|Archive 1]], Feb 2005 &ndash; Dec 2005 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Anything_Goes&oldid=22917 Anything Goes] page)
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 2|Archive 2]], Feb 2005 &ndash; Aug 2006 (formerly the [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Questions&oldid=37973 Questions] page)
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 3|Archive 3]], Oct 2005 &ndash; Aug 2006 (moved from [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&oldid=37962 Talk:Main Page])
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 4|Archive 4]], Aug 2006 &ndash; Dec 2006 (2006 Trapeza archive)
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 5|Archive 5]], Dec 2006 &ndash; Nov 2008
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 6|Archive 6]], Nov 2008 &ndash; Mar 2011
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 7|Archive 7]], May 2011 &ndash; Jan 2015
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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 8|Archive 8]], Feb 2015 &ndash; Jan 2020
  
: I just installed it (using the instructions on the page linked above), and it works just fine. For now, just paste the entire code into your User:username/monobook.js page. I don't see any reason why we can't make a template, as they have on en.wikipedia, but someone with more Wiki experience (and probably more authorization, possibly [[User:FrJohn|FrJohn]]) needs to make that happen. --[[User:Basil|Basil]] 06:37, January 5, 2007 (PST)
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== If I was to work on a prayer book comparison, what prayer / attributes should I include? ==
  
== Orthodox Understanding of the the date of the Last Supper ==
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I'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission to post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I'd investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. So I'm wondering if people like this idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(s) to include. My initial thought is the prayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a line, depending on the translation, like ''"Be merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds."'' or ''"God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good in Your sight."'' Thanks and thanks to the admins for my new shiny account, -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:38, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
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: Also, as this forum doesn't seem to be super-active, and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in getting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I've created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that it'll send you an email with a link you have to follow, so be sure to check your spam/trash if you don't get anything after a minute or two. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:17, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
  
I understnad that most Orthodox theologians, as do I, follow the Gospel of John and do not consider the Last Supper a Passover Meal. If I understand correctly, one of the consequences of this understanding is the fact that leavened bread is used in the Eucharist in the Orthodox church. Are there other consequences, results, etc. of this understanding? It seems to me that the Synoptics agree with John, but have been misinterpreted.
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== For Discussion: Could Early Modern English be added as a separate language to the wiki? ==
  
I am writing an article on the date of the Last Supper, i.e., was it the Passover Meal (night beginning Nisan 15)or was it the night before (night beginning Nisan 14)? Apart from, or maybe along with, textual consideradions, the way the early Greek-speaking church understood the Supper must, it seems to me, be taken into consideration.
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I'm trying to figure out the best way to include text in both [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Modern_English Early Modern English] and Contemporary English versions, and I've come to the conclusion that the cleanest way to do this may be to have Early Modern English as a separate language on the wiki, so all the MediaWiki functionality regarding translations could be utilized. I'm in no way wedded to this idea, and of course I need to convince the admins to do this. So, thoughts? -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:25, March 7, 2020 (UTC)
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:How much content do you think would be in Early Modern English? This is a small wiki: why would we separate it out into even smaller bits? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 17:40, March 7, 2020 (UTC)
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Good Point; probably not worth it. My aim was just to preserve the information in the archaic English without having to look at it if you don't want to; but thinking about it I can just put a link to the public domain source material, and if anyone really wants the old english the onus can be on them to figure out how to do it nicely :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 18:29, March 10, 2020 (UTC)
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:Oh, I think it's worth having here, too. Just make a page like Name/Old English or include it in the relevant source or something. We had a source document sister project for a bit but it was unsustainable. I don't think anyone would complain about you porting over public domain Old English sources that are relevant to Orthodoxy. Please do! -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 19:47, March 10, 2020 (UTC)
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Oh nifty, do you remember the URL of the sister project? I'd love to just take a look around with archive.org to see what people were thinking would be cool back then :-) -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 20:59, March 10, 2020 (UTC)
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:Having a hard time finding it (just did 15 minutes poking around page histories and Internet Archive myself) but you can see the link on the Commons homepage: https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page the old "Osource:" prefix is long deleted. As I recall, it never hosted much and really, it could just be combined into the appropriate language edition with scans or recordings going to commons. If you are adventurous, you can probably find it yourself in the Trapeza archives somewhere. If you ''really'' need to find it, let me know. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:41, March 10, 2020 (UTC)
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Sweet, that was enough to find https://web.archive.org/web/20081225074135/http://www.orthodoxsource.org/Main_Page thanks! -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 00:11, March 11, 2020 (UTC)
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:Nice. Thanks for editing, D. Hope to see you around some. I'm not very active here but I do pop in from time to time and I watch the Trapeza (obviously). Let me know if you need anything else. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 00:36, March 11, 2020 (UTC)
  
Not using unleavened bread points in that direction. Are there other things? I would be interested in orientation in this general area.
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== Anyone on / want to be on a Discord server? ==
  
Note: I am 81, Ph.D. from Vanderbilt in 1963 in Biblical Studies, and speak English, Spanish and French. I would appreciate knowing about any relevant articles in any of these languages.
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No one's been on the [[OrthodoxWiki:Chat|IRC]] channel any time I've been around, and I believe none of the other IRC channels re: Orthodoxy I've found have been active either. Although I love IRC from a political and technical POV, Discord seems to have supplanted it for most people. I'm currently on all 8 of the Orthodoxy-related Discord servers I've found, checking them out. '''''Does anyone else use Discord? If so, what server / username?''''' (I'm Dclark). Perhaps we could petition the admins on whatever server we all mutually use to make an #OrthodoxWiki channel on their Discord server for us. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:57, March 17, 2020 (UTC)
  
Thanks for any help. James M. Beaty
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== Call for new editors in this time of pandemic? ==
  
Hows does one use the talk page to reply to another user? Thanks.
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How would people feel about doing a call for new editors on various Orthodox fora? My thought is that the pandemic is giving some people a whole lot to do, but a lot of other people a lot of hurry up and waiting to do. I know that the minor edits I've been doing recently have helped me feel like there is more purpose to my days, and have been a welcome focus away from the news. On the other hand, I can see that, especially if worded poorly, such a call could seem callous and disrespectful. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 19:08, March 22, 2020 (UTC)
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:I think that's valuable for society and for this wiki, in its own tiny way. Finding something useful to do is a good way to keep from going stir-crazy or feeling despondent. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:05, March 22, 2020 (UTC)

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Introduction

In a monastery, a trapeza (or refectory), is the dining hall where monks and pilgrims gather for food and conversation (although monks don't usually talk during meals). The OrthodoxWiki trapeza serves as the main discussion point for our website. Please feel free to join in—ask anything, suggest an idea, make a comment. We're glad to have you here. For other, more specifically designated discussion pages, check out the Community Portal.

If you have questions or comments about specific articles, please direct them to the Talk pages of those articles so that they will be seen by editors working on them.

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If I was to work on a prayer book comparison, what prayer / attributes should I include?

I'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission to post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I'd investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. So I'm wondering if people like this idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(s) to include. My initial thought is the prayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a line, depending on the translation, like "Be merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds." or "God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good in Your sight." Thanks and thanks to the admins for my new shiny account, -Dclark (talk) 16:38, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Also, as this forum doesn't seem to be super-active, and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in getting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I've created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that it'll send you an email with a link you have to follow, so be sure to check your spam/trash if you don't get anything after a minute or two. -Dclark (talk) 17:17, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

For Discussion: Could Early Modern English be added as a separate language to the wiki?

I'm trying to figure out the best way to include text in both Early Modern English and Contemporary English versions, and I've come to the conclusion that the cleanest way to do this may be to have Early Modern English as a separate language on the wiki, so all the MediaWiki functionality regarding translations could be utilized. I'm in no way wedded to this idea, and of course I need to convince the admins to do this. So, thoughts? -Dclark (talk) 17:25, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

How much content do you think would be in Early Modern English? This is a small wiki: why would we separate it out into even smaller bits? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 17:40, March 7, 2020 (UTC)

Good Point; probably not worth it. My aim was just to preserve the information in the archaic English without having to look at it if you don't want to; but thinking about it I can just put a link to the public domain source material, and if anyone really wants the old english the onus can be on them to figure out how to do it nicely :-) -Dclark (talk) 18:29, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I think it's worth having here, too. Just make a page like Name/Old English or include it in the relevant source or something. We had a source document sister project for a bit but it was unsustainable. I don't think anyone would complain about you porting over public domain Old English sources that are relevant to Orthodoxy. Please do! -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 19:47, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

Oh nifty, do you remember the URL of the sister project? I'd love to just take a look around with archive.org to see what people were thinking would be cool back then :-) -Dclark (talk) 20:59, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

Having a hard time finding it (just did 15 minutes poking around page histories and Internet Archive myself) but you can see the link on the Commons homepage: https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page the old "Osource:" prefix is long deleted. As I recall, it never hosted much and really, it could just be combined into the appropriate language edition with scans or recordings going to commons. If you are adventurous, you can probably find it yourself in the Trapeza archives somewhere. If you really need to find it, let me know. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:41, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

Sweet, that was enough to find https://web.archive.org/web/20081225074135/http://www.orthodoxsource.org/Main_Page thanks! -Dclark (talk) 00:11, March 11, 2020 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks for editing, D. Hope to see you around some. I'm not very active here but I do pop in from time to time and I watch the Trapeza (obviously). Let me know if you need anything else. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 00:36, March 11, 2020 (UTC)

Anyone on / want to be on a Discord server?

No one's been on the IRC channel any time I've been around, and I believe none of the other IRC channels re: Orthodoxy I've found have been active either. Although I love IRC from a political and technical POV, Discord seems to have supplanted it for most people. I'm currently on all 8 of the Orthodoxy-related Discord servers I've found, checking them out. Does anyone else use Discord? If so, what server / username? (I'm Dclark). Perhaps we could petition the admins on whatever server we all mutually use to make an #OrthodoxWiki channel on their Discord server for us. -Dclark (talk) 16:57, March 17, 2020 (UTC)

Call for new editors in this time of pandemic?

How would people feel about doing a call for new editors on various Orthodox fora? My thought is that the pandemic is giving some people a whole lot to do, but a lot of other people a lot of hurry up and waiting to do. I know that the minor edits I've been doing recently have helped me feel like there is more purpose to my days, and have been a welcome focus away from the news. On the other hand, I can see that, especially if worded poorly, such a call could seem callous and disrespectful. -Dclark (talk) 19:08, March 22, 2020 (UTC)

I think that's valuable for society and for this wiki, in its own tiny way. Finding something useful to do is a good way to keep from going stir-crazy or feeling despondent. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:05, March 22, 2020 (UTC)