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== ru.orthodoxwiki closure ==
I decided to discuss the matter of the closure of the russian languge edition of the orthodoxwiki because of enduring lack of activity. Precisely, there is no activity at all. I have wrote to Main page talk about that, but recived no answers see [[:ru:Обсуждение:Заглавная страница]]. I want to note that for almost 12 years of existence of ru.orthodoxwiki.org I was the first who left a message at that talk page. The project is completely dead, and no reason to expect its revival. To make sure of this you can take a look at the list of [https://ru.orthodoxwiki.org/Служебная:Новые_страницы most recently created articles]. At the same time, Easern Orthodox subjects are successfully developing in the Russian Wikipedia and the Free Orthodox Encyclopaedia "Drevo" (http://drevo-info.ru). A few existing ru.orthodoxwiki articles can be transferred to "Drevo". ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 12:35, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
: As a point of order, I would propose that we keep the content and have a banner that says that the site can be reactivated with simple instructions on how it can be started up again (i.e. ask an admin here at the Trapeza). -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 19:57, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
:: There is no reason to protect ru.orthodoxwiki from editing beacause no one else wanted to edit it. ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 22:11, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
::: Thanks for bringing this up. I'm fine with deletion, as long as we can be assured that no significant contributions will be lost. There are 412 content pages listed at [[ru:Служебная:Статистика]]. I am fine with moving things to [http://drevo-info.ru/ Drevo-info.ru] IF their license is compatible. (I did not find licensing information there.) Otherwise or additionally [https://ru.wikipedia.org ru.wikipedia.org]. You can see what we have done with Archived Localizations at [[OrthodoxWiki:Localization#Archived_Localizations]]. What do you recommend? — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 19:54, January 27, 2018 (UTC)
:::: About 10 years ago the articles from OrthodoxWiki were often translated into "Drevo" from english language. And then the rules become more stringent and it was not recommended to link to Wikipedia and Wikidedia-like projects. The Drevo use is's content for non-commercial purposes. In this way, the Drevo articles copied to Wikipedia violates the copyrights. ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 11:26, January 29, 2018 (UTC)
:::: Of course, I wanted to move the articles first, and then delete ru.orthodoxwiki. But first I wanted to hear an answer. Now I have heard it. ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 14:57, January 29, 2018 (UTC)
::::: Thank you for taking care of this. The licensing is a little tricky, since both the GFDL and the CC-BY-SA licenses do not allow republishing of derivative work under a more restrictive license. My recommendation, if the people at Drevo will allow it, is to move all articles there and include a note about source and licensing. All authors should be given appropriate credit. A workaround is if the authors of an article agree to re-license their work under Drevo's terms. For example, if you are the author of the whole of an article (or the article was taken fully from Drevo) there is no issue at all moving it there. I have no idea how Copyright law is structured or enforced in Russia. As you know, the GFDL and CC-BY-SA licenses do not prohibit for-profit use—however any for-profit use is seriously compromised by the "viral" nature of these open source licenses (since any derivative work must likewise be open sourced). In any case, please let me know when content has been moved and I will go ahead and remove the RU wiki. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 21:14, January 30, 2018 (UTC)
== If I was to work on a prayer book comparison, what prayer / attributes should I include? ==
I'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission to post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I'd investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. So I'm wondering if people like this idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(s) to include. My initial thought is the prayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a line, depending on the translation, like ''"Be merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds."'' or ''"God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good in Your sight."'' Thanks and thanks to the admins for my new shiny account, -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:38, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
: Also, as this forum doesn't seem to be super-active, and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in getting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I've created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that it'll send you an email with a link you have to follow, so be sure to check your spam/trash if you don't get anything after a minute or two. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:17, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
