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* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 3|Archive 3]], Oct 2005 – Aug 2006 (moved from [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&oldid=37962 Talk:Main Page])
 
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 3|Archive 3]], Oct 2005 – Aug 2006 (moved from [http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&oldid=37962 Talk:Main Page])
 
* [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza/Archive 4|Archive 4]], Aug 2006 – Dec 2006 (2006 Trapeza archive)
 
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== Closing down OrthodoxSource and SR ==
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== a hello on a new page ==
Friends, I apologize for being absent for awhile. Please let me know if you have any outstanding wiki issues you need to resolve!<br>
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As of today, I am shutting down OrthodoxSource. Apologies to IXThis888, who has put in a good deal of work. However, there was not enough of a community of contibutors and moderators there, and I think it would be better for us all at this point to keep the focus on this wiki. Also, I will likely be shutting down SR soon. There has been no activity there for a long time, and I'm afraid that the required documents (about copyrights and policies) were never translated. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 12:45, November 25, 2008 (UTC)
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== questions ==
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So... My goal is to get to 4900 on unique articles before too long.  I'd definitely eventually like to see the 4 flip to a 5... :)  There's a lot of stuff out there that could be written about. Take care! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 20:28, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
hi, i have photos of the raifa monastary i would like to upload as well as a convent neasr yoshkar ola russia which i do not beleive yet has an article how would i create a new article for this? {{unsigned|Kharaku}}
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:Hello, on the left hand side of your screen ... scroll down until you see the words
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"upload file" .. then follow the steps ...its not too hard and always someone will help you categorise your work ... Good luck! [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 01:16, November 29, 2008 (UTC)
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== Adding a Photo.... ==
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: Sounds great,  [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]]! Please note this previous discussion on [[OrthodoxWiki:Administrators#Eliminating_directory_articles|Eliminating_directory_articles]] - there is certainly room for overviews and histories, but a major problem with making a directory of parishes is that things can get out of date very quickly. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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::Understood.  :)  As far as the Bulgarian diocese page, I figured I'd just clean it up a bit since it's been sitting there with some VERY old information (priests' names, for example) for a couple of years. As it was a priest in the diocese referenced who posted the info in the first place, I didn't necessarily want to just clear out the whole thing. Hope that reasoning makes some sense. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:35, May 12, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Certainly, thanks! And again, background / historical info is great. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
  
I have been wanting to post my photo, but do not know HTML.
 
Could someone please give me a tip on how to do this?
 
  
Thanks! {{unsigned|Jacifus}}
 
  
: Give a thorough read to the materials linked in the welcome message on your talk page.  There's plenty there that should help.  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 23:56, December 3, 2008 (UTC)
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== A note on something I noticed ==
  
==Seminarian input==
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Fr. John, the updates look great, thank you for the hard work!  :)  I've noticed a couple of little hiccups, but it looks like most of them have been smoothed out (the captcha acting silly, for one).  This isn't a big thing at all, but under "Special Pages", the "active users list" doesn't work anymore. It always shows no active users, and a note that it's a cached page that might be up to 101 days old. (This number gets bigger all the time.) I think somewhere this stat must still be working, because I think on the statistics page, it does show the actual number of active users, but when you click on that, it brings you to the page that shows none. Hope you are well!  :)  [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 13:05, May 19, 2016 (UTC)
Over at Citizendium, there is a programme whereby faculty at various universities enjoin their students to post their work. I was wondering if it would make sense here to start publishing seminarians' papers. They come with faculty oversight and would be of sufficient quality to support reliability here. [[User:Thomas Simmons|Thomas Simmons]] 09:28, December 19, 2008 (PST)
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:There is also a Wiki Site called "Patristic Wiki" that you should look at. Father John set it up recently (mid-November I think) and they are asking for people to contribute in regards to patristic related stuff .... 22:47, December 18, 2008 (UTC)
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: Hmm... there is this bug report: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89027. I also tried clearing caches, running the Special Pages update script... didn't work. Since this is reflected on [[Special:RecentChanges|RecentChanges]], I don't think it is critical, but I am glad you pointed it out.
  
:: 1.  This is not really a place for papers, but for encyclopedia articles.  If seminarians wish to write Orthodox encyclopedia articles here, they are welcome to do so.
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== author credits? ==
  
:: 2.  PatristicsWiki is not connected with OrthodoxWiki and, as far as I know, not set up by (our) Fr. John&mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 01:54, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
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I was under the impression that articles on this wiki (other than protected pages that are reprinted by permission) are not supposed to have 'authorship' mentioned in the articleA couple months ago, I removed something like this from the article [[Holy Trinity Church (San Francisco, California)]], but now the "author" has put the credit to himself as author back in. He's also given himself credit on the article [[Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral (San Francisco, California)]], but at least he references back to an article he wrote that was posted elsewhere on the internet.  Not being a sysop or anything, I don't want to get into an edit war here.  [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 02:09, May 23, 2016 (UTC)
  
:::Hi, I know that PatristicWiki is not linked with OrthodoxWiki but I mentioned it since I presume that everyone's core intention is to spread Orthodoxy in the way they know how ... who you are affiliated with wrt posting information publically is irrelevant as long as the end users are connected to God and the Truth. I had the impression (our) Father John was involved with it ... since, he monitors the emails for the Ancient Faith podcast that Dcn Matthew has been delivering - and he is from Monachos.net So doh! [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 04:03, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
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:The author trail is preserved in page history, and not typically in attribution on the page. I'm not too worried about this, but, especially, if someone else substantially revises/addes to the articles, I have no problem with them remove the author attribution either. By submitting content to the wiki, they have agreed to license it according to [[OrthodoxWiki:Copyright|our copyright policy]].
  
== ROK's Basic Teaching on Human Dignity, Freedom and Rights ==
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==St. Ioann Listvinnik?==
I learnt recently the Russian Church adopted a [http://www.mospat.ru/index.php?mid=463 Basic Teaching on Human Dignity, Freedom and Rights]. Metropolitan Kyrill held a [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=documents&div=65 speech] at a conference in Vienna in 2006 where he said  this teaching is meaningful to all christans and at the UN Human Rights Council he [http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=documents&div=121 said] in 2008 adoption of human rights is unsuccessful because it fades out moral. I believe this is important. Would there be interest to have an article on this topic?{{unsigned|Haiduk}}
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:Perhaps you should make it a "sub-topic" under the [[Church of Russia]] since it is specific to their jurisdiction? I will give it a shot first if you want and then you can come in and edit??? Remember to sign your posts with three tilde (~) signs. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:45, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
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I've been reading a bit about historic churches in Alaska, and I saw mentioned that in Tigalda (Tigalda Island, perhaps), a church was consecrated in 1844, dedicated to St. Ioann Listvinnik.  Anybody know if this is correct or that it might be in error?  Thanks.  :)  [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:13, June 6, 2016 (UTC)
  
:: I'm glad with just doing a revision. I agree adding it to [[Church of Russia]] would be adequate. It's up to you to follow Fr. Andrew advice or convince him, if that is possible [[User:Haiduk|Haiduk]]
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Question:   
::Honestly now, with no mucking around and with respect to Father Andrew its not MY job to convince and neither do I want to convince him since I trust what he is telling me :) However, if you wish to ..since it is your own idea ...go ahead. I merely was trying to be helpful but if its not appropriate for an article I can only just go with the guy who holds the petraxili .... :) [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 14:30, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
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:: Well, my salvation is not dependent on having such an article at OrthodoxWiki. I just wanted to ensure information about this declaration finds it's way into this community. I guess (since it is not easy to write a reasonable article on this subject) it might be better to forward it to english language blogs or forums such as monachos.net. --[[User:Haiduk|Haiduk]] 16:34, December 20, 2008 (UTC)
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: That's interesting, but it's really more fit for a newspaper than an encyclopedia. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 02:27, December 19, 2008 (UTC)
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When it comes to posting biographical information, should we have some sort of policy shying away from posting too much information about living people, especially Americans, due to identity theft issues? For people born between 1970-2011, and in particular from about 1987-2011, when you have some combination of family name, birthplace, and exact date of birth, it becomes easier to guess social security numbers, especially if someone was born in a state with a smaller population.  I understand that much of this information is publicly available; I just would rather not have OrthodoxWiki be the "to-go" place for people looking to steal the identities of well-known Orthodox personalities.  My general policy has been to not post exact dates of birth for people in this age range, being as that seems to be the least relevant item for OrthodoxWiki, and probably the most sensitive for identity theft, but then I see someone here who keeps putting that information back up.
  
==Orthodoxy in Italy==
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*[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070602955.html Washington Post article about guessing Social Security Numbers]
I think it is completely inapropriate to use the title [[Orthodox Church in Italy]] for a non official orthodox church, that exists only 17 years, when in Italy orthodoxy has a history for many centuries. As far as I can see there is an article referred to [[Gennadios (Zervos) of Italy and Malta]] (the primate of the '''diocese of Italy of the Ecumenical Patriarchate'''), but there isn't an article for his archdiocese "Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Italy". Also in the english and italian wikipedia the problem is the same. It seems as if the users who created the "Orthodox Church in Italy" articles were really quickly to catch the title! But it should remain like this? I think no. And it is, in my point of view completely unacceptable if that happens also in the "Orthodoxwiki".--[[User:Sp!ros|Sp!ros]] 21:27, December 29, 2008 (UTC)
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*[https://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html The new system of assigning Social Security Numbers] Social Security Administration official site
  
: Generally, we use whatever titles such groups give themselves, noting within the article that they are not in communion with mainstream Orthodoxy, etc.
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: Not sure about the SSNs, but I do think in general we should exercise some discretion in posting details about living people. Wikipedia practice can be a guide here. Obviously, things like biographies and general biographical sketches are fine, especially when this information is not controversial and someone is a public figure already. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 17:53, August 23, 2016 (UTC)
  
: In any event, I have removed the redirect and changed all the links to [[Chiesa Ortodossa in Italia]].
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== August 6 and November 8 ==
  
: You would be most welcome to provide the articles that you suggest are needed.  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 20:58, December 31, 2008 (UTC)
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They represent the mid-season days, standing half-way between the solstice and the equinox. The same holds true for Saint Valentine's Day, which however is not celebrated liturgically in the East.
  
== Archbishop Nikitas (Lulias) Cekal Archimandrit Daniel Bambang Dwi Biantoro ==
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* Summer Solstice: Birth of Saint John the Baptist (June 24).
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* Spring Equinox: Annunciation (March 25).
  
Pada Februari 2007 lalu, Metropolitan Orthodox Hongkong dan Asia Tenggara, '''His Eminence Nikitas Lulias''' mengeluarkan keputusan pencekalan (pembebas-tugas-an) terhadap '''Archimandrit Daniel Bambang Dwi Biantoro''', yang artinya Archimandrit Daniel Bambang tidak diperkenankan lagi (''suspended'') untuk berbicara, melakukan tugas penggembalaan jemaat atas nama gereja. Meskipun archimandrit Daniel mengklaim dirinya menjadi bagian dari satu gereja tertentu, tapi yang bersangkutan tidak lagi menerima putusan/ ketetapan (''Canonical Release'')dari Gereja sebagaimana disyaratkan. Hal ini atas sepengetahuan '''Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.''' {{unsigned|Maruli}}
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There is no particular Mid-Spring Feast (roughly around May 10), mostly because of the fact that such symbolism would have been swallowed up by the [[Great Feast]]s tied to the [[Pascha]]l cycle, such as [[Palm Sunday]], [[Easter]] [[Sunday]], [[Ascension]], and [[Pentecost]] (or Whit Sunday), depending on how early or how late they fall in the year. In the East, [[Candlemas]] seems to have swallowed up all the agricultural symbolism which would normally have been associated with a mid-February celebration (not that this does not happen to some extent in the West as well, see ''Groundhog Day'').  
  
: I'm honestly not sure what language this is, but unless you post here in English, you're not likely to get too many responses. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 18:46, January 4, 2009 (UTC)
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I think that this information might be useful and interesting, but I have no idea ''where'' to add it exactly. &mdash; [[User:Luci83ro|Luci83ro]] ([[User talk:Luci83ro|talk]]) 02:51, September 23, 2016 (UTC)
  
::It's Indonesian. Here's an English rendering (thanks to the ever-improving Google Translate) -- "In February 2007, the Orthodox Metropolitan Hong Kong and Southeast Asia, His Eminence Nikitas Lulias-ban issue a decision (liberator-task-an) of Archimandrit Daniel Bambang Dwi Biantoro, which means Archimandrit Daniel Bambang not be more (suspended) to speak, doing penggembalaan of the church in the name of the church. Although Daniel archimandrit claimed himself to be part of a particular church, but they no longer receive the decision / provisions (Canonical Release) from the Church, as required. This top sepengetahuan Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople." — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 02:05, January 5, 2009 (UTC)
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==Two questions==
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'''Please advise''' I like the category navigation at the bottom of the page which shows the entire category tree. Can someone tell me how this was set up for this wiki? Also, I would be interested in writing about [[Anabaptism]] and [[Quakerism]] and see how these [[Radical Christian]] branches would be viewed by the Orthodox and how these communities have interacted in the past. I understand the point of view on this site is Orthodox and the scope is mostly about Orthodoxy--would articles like this be welcome here? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 23:24, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
  
== Churches in Melbourne ==
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:Hi Justin. I don't think there is any special plugin for the categories - this is just normal MediaWiki functionality. About the Anabaptists and Quakers, I think an article about specific history of relations, theological dialogues, etc. could be interesting. I don't think this is the place for an exhaustive treatment of AnabaptistQuaker theology - hope that makes sense. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 01:23, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::'''Theological discussions''' It does and that's consistent with what I thought was the case. I know that some Anabaptists traded letters with Eastern Christians during the Radical Reformation when they were being persecuted unto death by Catholics and Protestants. I'm not sure how many sources there are on this but I'd like to know. Furthermore, I'd be interested in seeing what some Orthodox perspectives would be on these groups. Thanks--I will try to get together the sources sometime to draft up an article. If anyone else has feedback, please let me know. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 01:39, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
  
I plan on uploading around one hundred photographs of churches in Melbourne to [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Greek_Orthodox_churches_in_Australia Wikimedia commons] over the next few days. You are free to reuse them; all my work is released into the public domain. Hope to have done all of the Orthodox churches within a few months. [[User:Ottre|Ottre]] 11:55, February 16, 2009 (UTC)
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::: I'd be interested to learn more about these dialogues — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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::::'''Dialogues''' This is very non-academic but it's where I first heard about these exchanges: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/3gmiay/how_do_catholic_and_orthodox_users_here_view_the/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1itf5x/to_nonprotestants_what_should_the_reformers_have/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1tx8r2/how_do_eastern_orthodox_view_protestants/ and then did some Internet searches. It would be nice if I could get something more substantial. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 05:27, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
  
== log in ==
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:::One thing to keep in mind for OrthodoxWiki is that we aim to be encyclopedia like, meaning the focus is on the ''who, what, where, and when'' rather than personal interpretation. Following Wikipedia, we have called this the "[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view "neutral point of view"], although we also have an [[OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual_(Point_of_View)|"Orthodox bias"]].
 
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why does no one ever log on and really have discussion on other pages? {{unsigned|Rob}}
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: I'm not really sure I understand what you mean.  Could you explain a little more?  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 22:14, March 9, 2009 (UTC)
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== The Cemetery Chapel at Saint Anna's Skete? ==
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I'm trying to remember the name of the cemetery chapel at Saint Anna's Skete on the Holy Mountain, the chapel where pilgrims generally worship on weekdays.  Does anyone recall which saint the chapel venerates?
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Father Andrew, is there a more likely page on this site where I might solicit a response?
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: Your best bet is at [[Talk:St. Anne's Skete (Athos)]].  It may simply be that no one who knows has yet noticed and commented.  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 13:42, March 20, 2009 (UTC)
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== John the Forerunner? ==
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Hello, I have a question regarding the St. John the Forerunner page. It says something along the lines of, John the Baptist, also known as John the Forerunner... I was wondering if the two names should be switched, since John the Baptist is a more western term? --<font color="teal">[[User:Iliada|Iliada]]</font><font color="teal" size="100px"></font> 00:24, March 20, 2009 (UTC)
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: Please direct questions about specific articles to the talk pages of those articles, e.g., [[Talk:John the Forerunner]].  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 13:42, March 20, 2009 (UTC)
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==Uploading sound recordings==
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I've tried uploading a sound recording (bell ringing) file to Orthodoxwiki Commons and have not been successful. I have tried as a Media file and a Image file, since some vocal music recording on Commons appear to be so uploaded. The recording is an mp3 file, through iTunes on a Mac. All attempts fail and bring up the warning banner of a corrupt, etc., file. I notice that there are no sound files in Commons other than those done originally by Father John last year. Has anyone tried uploading any sound files? Is there a special technique involved, what file ID is used:Media or Image, or other! Or is the upload capability not working for sound files?[[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 13:45, March 23, 2009 (UTC)
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Where is the actual wiki logo? I can't find it because the one in the corner is a link to the main page. Thanks! [[User:Theodoros|Theodoros]] 03:20, March 29, 2009 (UTC)
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:Theodoros, do you want it for a link button or something?  — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 04:38, March 30, 2009 (UTC)
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== choice of a religion ==
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Majority of us follow the religion of our parents.We are either circumcised in infancy or recited verses of a particular book in our ears declaring it as our religion before we understand its implications. When we grow up in a particular culture and society we have friends and relative we go along with them to church/synegogue/mandar or masjid.How can we when we are grown up sacrifice all our friends/ relatives by opting for another religion.How can all those whom I loved and cared about can be wrong or I will take the risk of isolation.There is hardly a very little percentage that study different religions and adopt the one that is more convincing or appeals to thier logic.In a survey conducted by me it was revealed that 80% of them have not read the divine book of thier religion in a language that they understand. Their knowledge of their religion was based upon oral communication of a preist or thier parents. We since are infancy are brain washed that we are on the right path and rest every body is an infidel and deserves to be hated or may even be killed.When over 90% of human specie follow the religion by virtue of being born in a particular family and 80% do not read even the divine book of thier religion than what difference does it make that one follows any of the religions.Asif azam
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'''Well, I believe it doesn't matter what religion people are. In the Bible, Jesus never says that ONLY Christians get to heaven. One gets to heaven by carrying out Jesus' word: feeding the hungry, clothing the naked... --<font color="teal">[[User:Iliada|Iliada]]</font><font color="teal" size="100px"></font> 10:45, May 12, 2009 (UTC)
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: Hello! I wouldn't want to explain too much here, just wanted to warmly greet you and note that you are right about most of the things. You are very fortunate to be born as an Orthodox Greek, and I believe you will be able to find a good priest near you, who can talk to you about the things you wrote here. Not everyone is so lucky to inherit from the ancestors the true faith and true worship.
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: ''We since are infancy are brain washed that we are on the right path and rest every body is an infidel and deserves to be hated or may even be killed.'' - I would think the opposite, that it is not the orthodox christian family and church that brainwashes us, but rather the "other" culture is having a great influence on us. And, of course, you won't be able to find hatred and "deserves to be killed" attitude in the orthodox church and family (if you still manage to do so, that would be an exception). Actually - what you are saying is a good example of that :-)
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: However, this is an encyclopaedia, a virtual community, the real community is in the church. Gia sou. [[User:K.panteleimon|K.panteleimon]] 20:12, June 24, 2009 (UTC)
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== New Orthodox Website Alert ==
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Hey all, a new orthodox website has been launched ... you might all like to take a look and if anyone knows if this site needs to be referenced within any OrthodoxWiki articles can you please add as a link (if you know where).
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http://www.orthodoxmysteries.com
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== List of Orthodox churches in a particular region ==
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I recall that we had a discussion at one point about taking the lists off OW where possible - what was the outcome of this discussion? &mdash; by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 00:13, May 23, 2009 (UTC)
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== National Saints? ==
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The whole concept of ''national saints'' is odd to the (orthodox) christian mindset. We believe that in the Church ''there is neither Jew nor Greek'' (Gal. 3, 28).
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It can also bring not little confusion, and potentially - uneccessary and unfruitful nationalistic quarrels. Look, for example, at the Saints pages on different languages - you'll find that saints listed in one national category in one language, are listed under a different nation in another language - because each nation tends to claim the saint its own.
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The correct and orthodox approach is seen on the greek version of OrthodoxWiki - where the saints are categorized as we mention them in the Church - as Apostles, Martyrs, Monks etc. I guess that's why the national category ''Greek'' is missing - (metanoia to the greeks for that)!
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Thus, I would like to suggest that the Saints categories of each language are reworked and the national prefix is removed. Of course the national origin of the saint can be mentioned in the text (although it can often be easily disputed), but it is not something that can categorize a saint.
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[[User:K.panteleimon|K.panteleimon]] 21:19, May 31, 2009 (UTC)
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:As a Greek Orthodox, I grew up knowing Saints for who they where and what they did ... just like you point out ... this idea of "national" saints was introduced to me through the internet - it goes to show that bad habits can spring up from internet as well as the good things. If the administrators are happy to change this philosophy of "nationalism" I am happy to put in the work to change all the articles ... but there would need to be some sort of discussion between the administrators about it. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 02:45, June 1, 2009 (UTC)
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:: The grouping of saints into such categories is not for the purpose of nationalism, ethnocentricity, etc.  Rather, it is simply for the usefulness of being able to find saints associated with particular geographic areas.
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:: The saints are, of course, universal in a theological sense.  But people from Corfu, for instance, have a great veneration for St. Spyridon because of his association with that actual place.  At my parish, we venerate [[Raphael of Brooklyn]] because he founded it.
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:: I'm of the opinion that we might want to rename the various categories to indicate place-names rather than what at least for now appears to be ethnic designations. (Mind you, some designations have no real ethnicity attached to them, e.g. "American" or "Australian.")  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 22:21, June 1, 2009 (UTC)
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:Without contradicting the main of what you were saying - the concept of saints as being particularly ''from'' a particular area isn't exactly new.  Aside from the concept of patron saints of a country, there are numerous icons and feastdays celebrating All Saints of [Nation/Island/Mountain/Geographic Area] - usual commemoration for this is the sunday after All Saints. &mdash; by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 23:14, June 24, 2009 (UTC)
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== OrthodoxWiki on Serbian ==
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I am interest to develop a sr.OrthodoxWiki.org page. Would anubody can help me?
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: Hi there. There used to be a serbian version, if I'm not wrong, the responsible person was Далибор Ђурић, a theology student at the faculty of Belgrade (That was written on his user page). However, I don't know what exactly Fr. John meant with this [[OrthodoxWiki:Trapeza#Closing_down_OrthodoxSource_and_SR]] if SR was the serbian version... [[User:K.panteleimon|K.panteleimon]] 20:00, June 23, 2009 (UTC)
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::Hi! Yes, we closed it does since it had sat uncared for for a long time and didn't have much content to begin with. If you can put a team together, and translate the necessary policy docs, I'd be happy to see this take off again! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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==Images in Commons and the main Wiki==
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Some time ago the file of images that were part of the main body of OrthodoxWiki was transferred to a new sub-set of the Wiki called 'OrthodoxWiki Commons' with instructions that Commons was to be used for uploading images files. But the older set of files remain in the main body and is addressable through the 'Starting points' of the Main Page of  OrthodoxWiki. One can still upload images to the old file set. Since the original image files are still usable, a number of contributors still use the old images file system and the images are 'lost'!
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I suggest that the old file system be removed from OrthodoxWiki and that the Main Page Images 'Starting points' be changes to directly work with the Commons system so that images can be placed in only one system of files. There are a number of image files that need to be transferred from the old file set to Commons, such as those added and used in the article [[Studenica Monastery]].
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:Notice now that the Studenica images are in Commons. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 19:53, August 20, 2009 (UTC)
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I also notice rummaging through the 'cellars' of Commons that some contributors have uploaded articles to Commons that probably should have been uploaded to the main Wiki. In this regard Commons needs a little cleanup. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 15:03, August 20, 2009 (UTC)
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== The Legal Status of the Ecumenical Patriarchate ==
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[http://www.ortodoksi.net/index.php/The_Legal_Status_of_the_Ecumenical_Patriarchate The Legal Status of the Ecumenical Patriarchate]
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[[User:HAP|HAP]] 07:12, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
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: More:
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: [http://www.ortodoksi.net/index.php/Written_question Turkey's delay in introducing protection for the rights of religious minorities]
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:: [http://www.ortodoksi.net/images/f/f1/Tr_rapport_2009_en.pdf TURKEY 2009 PROGRESS REPORT, look at pages 22 ->]
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I was wondering what the sign Jesus and the saints make with their right hand means. Is it a form of the sign of the cross? Also, why do some vary? I know of two different stlyes. One in which the pinky is up, and other in which it is down. Sometimes the fingers don't touch. Other times the palm is facing in, not out. What is this significance?
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I'm confused! Shouldn't the many Serbian language articles by Dilic be presented in Orthodoxwkl as a separate "Related Site" in Other Languages as are the many others? i.e., Arabic, Bulgarian, etc.  [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 18:06, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
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So... My goal is to get to 4900 on unique articles before too long. I'd definitely eventually like to see the 4 flip to a 5...  :) There's a lot of stuff out there that could be written about. Take care! Katjuscha (talk) 20:28, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds great, Katjuscha! Please note this previous discussion on Eliminating_directory_articles - there is certainly room for overviews and histories, but a major problem with making a directory of parishes is that things can get out of date very quickly. — FrJohn (talk)
Understood.  :) As far as the Bulgarian diocese page, I figured I'd just clean it up a bit since it's been sitting there with some VERY old information (priests' names, for example) for a couple of years. As it was a priest in the diocese referenced who posted the info in the first place, I didn't necessarily want to just clear out the whole thing. Hope that reasoning makes some sense.  :) Katjuscha (talk) 01:35, May 12, 2016 (UTC)
Certainly, thanks! And again, background / historical info is great. — FrJohn (talk)


A note on something I noticed

Fr. John, the updates look great, thank you for the hard work!  :) I've noticed a couple of little hiccups, but it looks like most of them have been smoothed out (the captcha acting silly, for one). This isn't a big thing at all, but under "Special Pages", the "active users list" doesn't work anymore. It always shows no active users, and a note that it's a cached page that might be up to 101 days old. (This number gets bigger all the time.) I think somewhere this stat must still be working, because I think on the statistics page, it does show the actual number of active users, but when you click on that, it brings you to the page that shows none. Hope you are well!  :) Katjuscha (talk) 13:05, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm... there is this bug report: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89027. I also tried clearing caches, running the Special Pages update script... didn't work. Since this is reflected on RecentChanges, I don't think it is critical, but I am glad you pointed it out.

author credits?

I was under the impression that articles on this wiki (other than protected pages that are reprinted by permission) are not supposed to have 'authorship' mentioned in the article. A couple months ago, I removed something like this from the article Holy Trinity Church (San Francisco, California), but now the "author" has put the credit to himself as author back in. He's also given himself credit on the article Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral (San Francisco, California), but at least he references back to an article he wrote that was posted elsewhere on the internet. Not being a sysop or anything, I don't want to get into an edit war here. Katjuscha (talk) 02:09, May 23, 2016 (UTC)

The author trail is preserved in page history, and not typically in attribution on the page. I'm not too worried about this, but, especially, if someone else substantially revises/addes to the articles, I have no problem with them remove the author attribution either. By submitting content to the wiki, they have agreed to license it according to our copyright policy.

St. Ioann Listvinnik?

I've been reading a bit about historic churches in Alaska, and I saw mentioned that in Tigalda (Tigalda Island, perhaps), a church was consecrated in 1844, dedicated to St. Ioann Listvinnik. Anybody know if this is correct or that it might be in error? Thanks.  :) Katjuscha (talk) 01:13, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Question:

When it comes to posting biographical information, should we have some sort of policy shying away from posting too much information about living people, especially Americans, due to identity theft issues? For people born between 1970-2011, and in particular from about 1987-2011, when you have some combination of family name, birthplace, and exact date of birth, it becomes easier to guess social security numbers, especially if someone was born in a state with a smaller population. I understand that much of this information is publicly available; I just would rather not have OrthodoxWiki be the "to-go" place for people looking to steal the identities of well-known Orthodox personalities. My general policy has been to not post exact dates of birth for people in this age range, being as that seems to be the least relevant item for OrthodoxWiki, and probably the most sensitive for identity theft, but then I see someone here who keeps putting that information back up.

Not sure about the SSNs, but I do think in general we should exercise some discretion in posting details about living people. Wikipedia practice can be a guide here. Obviously, things like biographies and general biographical sketches are fine, especially when this information is not controversial and someone is a public figure already. — FrJohn (talk) 17:53, August 23, 2016 (UTC)

August 6 and November 8

They represent the mid-season days, standing half-way between the solstice and the equinox. The same holds true for Saint Valentine's Day, which however is not celebrated liturgically in the East.

  • Summer Solstice: Birth of Saint John the Baptist (June 24).
  • Mid-Summer: Transfiguration of Christ (August 6).
  • Autumn Equinox: Conception of Saint John the Baptist (September 23).
  • Mid-Autumn: Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel (November 8).
  • Winter Solstice: Christmas (December 25).
  • Mid-Winter: Saint Valentine's Day (February 14, West only).
  • Spring Equinox: Annunciation (March 25).

There is no particular Mid-Spring Feast (roughly around May 10), mostly because of the fact that such symbolism would have been swallowed up by the Great Feasts tied to the Paschal cycle, such as Palm Sunday, Easter Sunday, Ascension, and Pentecost (or Whit Sunday), depending on how early or how late they fall in the year. In the East, Candlemas seems to have swallowed up all the agricultural symbolism which would normally have been associated with a mid-February celebration (not that this does not happen to some extent in the West as well, see Groundhog Day).

I think that this information might be useful and interesting, but I have no idea where to add it exactly. — Luci83ro (talk) 02:51, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Two questions

Please advise I like the category navigation at the bottom of the page which shows the entire category tree. Can someone tell me how this was set up for this wiki? Also, I would be interested in writing about Anabaptism and Quakerism and see how these Radical Christian branches would be viewed by the Orthodox and how these communities have interacted in the past. I understand the point of view on this site is Orthodox and the scope is mostly about Orthodoxy--would articles like this be welcome here? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 23:24, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Justin. I don't think there is any special plugin for the categories - this is just normal MediaWiki functionality. About the Anabaptists and Quakers, I think an article about specific history of relations, theological dialogues, etc. could be interesting. I don't think this is the place for an exhaustive treatment of AnabaptistQuaker theology - hope that makes sense. — FrJohn (talk) 01:23, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
Theological discussions It does and that's consistent with what I thought was the case. I know that some Anabaptists traded letters with Eastern Christians during the Radical Reformation when they were being persecuted unto death by Catholics and Protestants. I'm not sure how many sources there are on this but I'd like to know. Furthermore, I'd be interested in seeing what some Orthodox perspectives would be on these groups. Thanks--I will try to get together the sources sometime to draft up an article. If anyone else has feedback, please let me know. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 01:39, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
I'd be interested to learn more about these dialogues — FrJohn (talk)
Dialogues This is very non-academic but it's where I first heard about these exchanges: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/3gmiay/how_do_catholic_and_orthodox_users_here_view_the/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1itf5x/to_nonprotestants_what_should_the_reformers_have/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1tx8r2/how_do_eastern_orthodox_view_protestants/ and then did some Internet searches. It would be nice if I could get something more substantial. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 05:27, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
One thing to keep in mind for OrthodoxWiki is that we aim to be encyclopedia like, meaning the focus is on the who, what, where, and when rather than personal interpretation. Following Wikipedia, we have called this the ""neutral point of view", although we also have an "Orthodox bias".