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::P.S. Sometimes I wonder if those who attack Augustine so much have ever read him - I mean sat down and read through a book, not just looked for proof texts. Have they felt his warm spirit, seen his heart full of faith? It seems to me that they are angry with him from the beginning, more interested in promoting a certain narrow and "purist" understanding of Orthodoxy than in actually engaging him as a person or a thinker. (This is a totally subjective comment of course, and wouldn't pass muster with NPOV, at least without a detailed comparison of points of interpretation.)
::Also, about the idea of "ownership" -- of course, I am the one who initially set up OrthodoxWiki. I take primary responsibility for it, and I am the one who has root access to all the files, etc. However, I don't exactly think of myself as "owning" it - at least not all the content, which is contributed by a whole lot of users who keep their own copyright (while licensing it under the GFDL and CC licenses we use), and make this site what it is. Also, there are many others who help me moderate and manage it. For these reasons, I think of it more as owned by the community than by me. {{User:FrJohn/sig}}
 
==My recent edit==
I changed ''"reception"'' to ''"always accepted"'' because the former gives the false impression that St. Augustine was at one time not accepted.
 
I also notice the follow written in the article:
 
<blockquote>The Fifth Ecumenical Council, held in Constantinople in A.D. 553, listed Augustine among other Fathers of the Church, though there is no unqualified endorsement of his theology mentioned (just as there is none for most saints of the Church):
 
We further declare that we hold fast to the decrees of the four Councils, and in every way follow the holy Fathers, Athanasius, Hilary, Basil, Gregory the Theologian, Gregory of Nyssa, Ambrose, Theophilus, John (Chrysostom) of Constantinople, Cyril, Augustine, Proclus, Leo and their writings on the true faith.[1] (emphasis added)
 
In the acts of the Sixth Ecumenical Council (not yet translated into English), he is called the "most excellent and blessed Augustine" and is referred to as "the most wise teacher." In the Comnenian Council of Constantinople in 1166 he is referred to as "Ό Αγίος Αυγουστίνος - "Saint Augustine." </blockquote>
 
I think a change is in order here, too. Why say ''"unqualified endorsement"'' when the wording of the Council says ''"in every way"'' and ''"their writings on the true faith"''?. That is a contradiction because it is obviously an unqualified endorsement. If St. Augustine died in 430, and generations upon generations of lay and clergy lived and died learning from his writings, if there was no objection to anything particular, that particular would be considered fully endorsed. How could anyone say that 113 years went by and not a single soul noticed that St. Augustine professed heresy in is work on the Trinity?? Put yourself back there and imagine living 113 years! Where was the divine protection for the souls of those who lived and died believing what he wrote IF it were heresy? And furthermore, this point extends many more generations after that. St. Augustine flatly, and without speculation, taught that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father AND the Son. Who has the nerve to say that generations went by and not a single soul with the true Faith noticed anything wrong with it? --[[User:Myron|Myron]] 17:57, July 1, 2006 (CDT)
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