OrthodoxWiki talk:Copyrights - Revision history

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Mangojuice at 13:50, April 25, 2007

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	Hi all, I just registered to the greek version and was reading the respective copyrights page in greek. I guess these pages should be exact translations of eachother on all OrthodoxWikis, so I propose here one small change for purposes of clarification. The text says ''"...and authors remain free to re-issue their own work under any other license they choose"''. It might be better to clarify that they remain free to re-issue their own work under any other ''non-exclusive'' license (or else they would be revoking this already existing one, which they can't do). By submitting here they waive their right to grant exclusive licenses to anybody in the future. This may be of interest to authors who would like to publish their work later with publishers who require exclusive licenses. No big deal - just since the page is in my opinion very well written, this clarification would make things even better. --[[User:Αρχίδαμος\|Αρχίδαμος]] 11:37, July 23, 2007 (PDT)		Hi all, I just registered to the greek version and was reading the respective copyrights page in greek. I guess these pages should be exact translations of eachother on all OrthodoxWikis, so I propose here one small change for purposes of clarification. The text says ''"...and authors remain free to re-issue their own work under any other license they choose"''. It might be better to clarify that they remain free to re-issue their own work under any other ''non-exclusive'' license (or else they would be revoking this already existing one, which they can't do). By submitting here they waive their right to grant exclusive licenses to anybody in the future. This may be of interest to authors who would like to publish their work later with publishers who require exclusive licenses. No big deal - just since the page is in my opinion very well written, this clarification would make things even better. --[[User:Αρχίδαμος\|Αρχίδαμος]] 11:37, July 23, 2007 (PDT)
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		+	:Thanks, Αρχίδαμος. You've got a good point there - I'll add a note to the text. In time, we'll be synthesizing these on [[ometa:Main Page\|Meta]], but for now, this is a good start. In Christ, — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 20:34, July 27, 2007 (PDT)

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	::::Glad we were able to get things somewhat smoothed out. Thanks for your work! — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 09:20, April 25, 2007 (PDT)		::::Glad we were able to get things somewhat smoothed out. Thanks for your work! — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 09:20, April 25, 2007 (PDT)
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		+	Hi all, I just registered to the greek version and was reading the respective copyrights page in greek. I guess these pages should be exact translations of eachother on all OrthodoxWikis, so I propose here one small change for purposes of clarification. The text says ''"...and authors remain free to re-issue their own work under any other license they choose"''. It might be better to clarify that they remain free to re-issue their own work under any other ''non-exclusive'' license (or else they would be revoking this already existing one, which they can't do). By submitting here they waive their right to grant exclusive licenses to anybody in the future. This may be of interest to authors who would like to publish their work later with publishers who require exclusive licenses. No big deal - just since the page is in my opinion very well written, this clarification would make things even better. --[[User:Αρχίδαμος\|Αρχίδαμος]] 11:37, July 23, 2007 (PDT)

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	:::Thanks all for weighing in over at wikipedia and helping us to sort this all out. Your helpfulness is greatly appreciated. -- [[User:Pastordavid\|Pastordavid]] 09:15, April 25, 2007 (PDT)		:::Thanks all for weighing in over at wikipedia and helping us to sort this all out. Your helpfulness is greatly appreciated. -- [[User:Pastordavid\|Pastordavid]] 09:15, April 25, 2007 (PDT)
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		+	::::Glad we were able to get things somewhat smoothed out. Thanks for your work! — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk]) 09:20, April 25, 2007 (PDT)

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	::Yep, that's a good indicator too. Nice detective work. — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])		::Yep, that's a good indicator too. Nice detective work. — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

−	:::Thanks all for weighing in over at wikipedia and helping us to sort this all out. Your helpfulness is greatly appreciated. -- [[User:Pastordavid\|~~pastorhansen@stjohnprairiehill.org~~]] 09:13, April 25, 2007 (PDT)	+	:::Thanks all for weighing in over at wikipedia and helping us to sort this all out. Your helpfulness is greatly appreciated. -- [[User:Pastordavid\|Pastordavid]] 09:15, April 25, 2007 (PDT)

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	::Yep, that's a good indicator too. Nice detective work. — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])		::Yep, that's a good indicator too. Nice detective work. — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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		+	:::Thanks all for weighing in over at wikipedia and helping us to sort this all out. Your helpfulness is greatly appreciated. -- [[User:Pastordavid\|pastorhansen@stjohnprairiehill.org]] 09:13, April 25, 2007 (PDT)

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 ::According to [http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Copyrights&oldid=15815 this version] of the copyrights page, it seems that OrthodoxWiki used to use CC by-sa as the default license, not CC by-nc-sa as the current page says.  Is there something I'm missing?  Obviously, this is pretty important: in my view (as a Wikipedia admin & user familiar with copyrights there), it's okay to reuse material there licensed under the CC by-sa license, but not the CC by-nc-sa.  CC by-sa is not the same as the GFDL, but they are similar, in that the GFDL doesn't add any restrictions incompatible with the freedoms in CC by-sa, and that the GFDL maintains all the restrictions required by CC by-sa.  CC by-nc-sa, however, is a different story.  Is there a reason for the change?  It happened right around when the licensing policy was changed to the current dual-license thing.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mangojuice Mangojuice] 06:50, April 25, 2007 (PDT)
-:Hi MangoJuice, good to see you here too. You've made a good catch and it took me a moment to figure it out. The problem is that the [[Template:Cc]] page was updated (check out it's history). Sadly, were were using by-sa-nc prior to November 2005. We made the changes exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Hope that helps! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
+:Hi MangoJuice, good to see you here too. You've made a good catch and it took me a moment to figure it out. The problem is that the [[Template:Cc]] page was updated (check out its history). Sadly, were were using by-sa-nc prior to November 2005. We made the changes exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Hope that helps! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
 ::P.S. I've created a template to mark this earlier content at [[Template:Prerevised]]. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
 :::Okay, i think I've answered my own question.  What really matters is [[MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning]], because it wasn't until 11/22/05 that the warning referred to [[OrthodoxWiki:Copyrights]] for the copyright policy, and before that, the copyright warning did specify CC by-nc-sa 2.0.  That copyrightwarning is the text everyone sees when they submit, so it holds the actual agreement.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mangojuice Mangojuice] 07:13, April 25, 2007 (PDT)

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	::P.S. I've created a template to mark this earlier content at [[Template:Prerevised]]. — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])		::P.S. I've created a template to mark this earlier content at [[Template:Prerevised]]. — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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		+	:::Okay, i think I've answered my own question. What really matters is [[MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning]], because it wasn't until 11/22/05 that the warning referred to [[OrthodoxWiki:Copyrights]] for the copyright policy, and before that, the copyright warning did specify CC by-nc-sa 2.0. That copyrightwarning is the text everyone sees when they submit, so it holds the actual agreement. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mangojuice Mangojuice] 07:13, April 25, 2007 (PDT)

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	:Hi MangoJuice, good to see you here too. You've made a good catch and it took me a moment to figure it out. The problem is that the [[Template:Cc]] page was updated (check out it's history). Sadly, were were using by-sa-nc prior to November 2005. We made the changes exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Hope that helps! — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])		:Hi MangoJuice, good to see you here too. You've made a good catch and it took me a moment to figure it out. The problem is that the [[Template:Cc]] page was updated (check out it's history). Sadly, were were using by-sa-nc prior to November 2005. We made the changes exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Hope that helps! — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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		+	::P.S. I've created a template to mark this earlier content at [[Template:Prerevised]]. — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

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	::According to [http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Copyrights&oldid=15815 this version] of the copyrights page, it seems that OrthodoxWiki used to use CC by-sa as the default license, not CC by-nc-sa as the current page says. Is there something I'm missing? Obviously, this is pretty important: in my view (as a Wikipedia admin & user familiar with copyrights there), it's okay to reuse material there licensed under the CC by-sa license, but not the CC by-nc-sa. CC by-sa is not the same as the GFDL, but they are similar, in that the GFDL doesn't add any restrictions incompatible with the freedoms in CC by-sa, and that the GFDL maintains all the restrictions required by CC by-sa. CC by-nc-sa, however, is a different story. Is there a reason for the change? It happened right around when the licensing policy was changed to the current dual-license thing. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mangojuice Mangojuice] 06:50, April 25, 2007 (PDT)		::According to [http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Copyrights&oldid=15815 this version] of the copyrights page, it seems that OrthodoxWiki used to use CC by-sa as the default license, not CC by-nc-sa as the current page says. Is there something I'm missing? Obviously, this is pretty important: in my view (as a Wikipedia admin & user familiar with copyrights there), it's okay to reuse material there licensed under the CC by-sa license, but not the CC by-nc-sa. CC by-sa is not the same as the GFDL, but they are similar, in that the GFDL doesn't add any restrictions incompatible with the freedoms in CC by-sa, and that the GFDL maintains all the restrictions required by CC by-sa. CC by-nc-sa, however, is a different story. Is there a reason for the change? It happened right around when the licensing policy was changed to the current dual-license thing. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mangojuice Mangojuice] 06:50, April 25, 2007 (PDT)
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		+	:Hi MangoJuice, good to see you here too. You've made a good catch and it took me a moment to figure it out. The problem is that the [[Template:Cc]] page was updated (check out it's history). Sadly, were were using by-sa-nc prior to November 2005. We made the changes exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Hope that helps! — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

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	:I agree with you, Fr. Julian, and am grateful for your work. There are helpful things which are appropriate for OrthodoxWiki but not for Wikipedia and also the reverse. — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])		:I agree with you, Fr. Julian, and am grateful for your work. There are helpful things which are appropriate for OrthodoxWiki but not for Wikipedia and also the reverse. — [[User:FrJohn\|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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		+	::According to [http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=OrthodoxWiki:Copyrights&oldid=15815 this version] of the copyrights page, it seems that OrthodoxWiki used to use CC by-sa as the default license, not CC by-nc-sa as the current page says. Is there something I'm missing? Obviously, this is pretty important: in my view (as a Wikipedia admin & user familiar with copyrights there), it's okay to reuse material there licensed under the CC by-sa license, but not the CC by-nc-sa. CC by-sa is not the same as the GFDL, but they are similar, in that the GFDL doesn't add any restrictions incompatible with the freedoms in CC by-sa, and that the GFDL maintains all the restrictions required by CC by-sa. CC by-nc-sa, however, is a different story. Is there a reason for the change? It happened right around when the licensing policy was changed to the current dual-license thing. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mangojuice Mangojuice] 06:50, April 25, 2007 (PDT)

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Mangojuice at 13:50, April 25, 2007

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