https://orthodoxwiki.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Aeturneus&feedformat=atomOrthodoxWiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T14:38:44ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.30.0https://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48663Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-27T06:06:13Z<p>Aeturneus: Updated listing of parishes and monasteries around the world by looking at the directory on the official web site</p>
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<div>The '''Russian Orthodox Church in Exile''' (ROCE/ROCIE) is a [[jurisdiction]] formed in 2001 in protest against and breaking from the [[Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia]] (ROCOR), primarily over the latter's ongoing [[rapprochement]] process with the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]]. The ROCE still sometimes uses the ROCOR/ROCA name and regards itself as the true ROCOR.<br />
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The two jurisdictions are sometimes distinguished as '''ROCOR (V)''' (ROCE) and '''ROCOR (L)''' (the mainstream ROCOR), the initial in parentheses referring to the [[primate]] of each group.<br />
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The ROCE was led by Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York]], who had retired as the primate of the ROCOR, but passed away on [[September 25]], 2006. Upon the formation of the ROCE Metr. Vitaly was declared by the ROCE to have been retired forcibly by his enemies in ROCOR. According to their description of events, he then removed to Canada, where he governed the ROCE. It is contrarily claimed by critics of this jurisdiction that the aged Vitaly was kidnapped and was essentially a figurehead, being unfit for [[bishop|episcopal]] governance. Courts in Canada and New York have rejected this claim after taking into account multiple court-mandated psychiatric evaluations.<ref>New York Supreme Court, Part 34, Index No. 500180/2001, Chemodakov v. Oustinow, p. 11</ref><br />
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According to its website, the ROCE currently has twelve [[parish]]es, missions and home [[chapel]]s, along with one convent, in the United States; eight parishes, missions and chapels, along with two [[monasticism|monastic]] [[skete]]s, in Canada; two parishes and one convent in South America; eleven parishes and missions in Europe; and a "[[deanery]]" of [[clergy]] and monastics in Russia, at twenty-three parishes and three monasteries. The ROCE also has a handful of clergy and laymen throughout the world which hold allegiance to it but may not have any parish associated with them, and a number of communities across Russia which remain unlisted to avoid unwanted attention from the state.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
<references/><br />
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==External links==<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/ Official site, Russian]<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/engindex.html Official site, English]<br />
*[http://www.rocie.org/ ROCIE News, English]<br />
*[http://www.stvladimirs.ca/ St. Vladimir's Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Edmonton, English]<br />
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[[Category:Jurisdictions]]<br />
[[Category:Old Calendarist Jurisdictions]]</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48529Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T23:50:43Z<p>Aeturneus: </p>
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<div>The '''Russian Orthodox Church in Exile''' (ROCE/ROCIE) is a [[jurisdiction]] formed in 2001 in protest against and breaking from the [[Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia]], primarily over the latter's ongoing rapprochement process with the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]]. The ROCE still sometimes uses the ROCOR/ROCA name and regards itself as the true ROCOR.<br />
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The two jurisdictions are sometimes distinguished as '''ROCOR (V)''' and '''ROCOR (L)''', the initial in parentheses referring to the [[primate]] of each group.<br />
<br />
The ROCE was led by Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York]], who had retired as the primate of the ROCOR, but passed away on [[September 25]], 2006. Upon the formation of the ROCE Metropolitan Vitaly was declared by the ROCE to have been retired forcibly by his enemies in ROCOR and then removed to Canada, where he governed the ROCE. It is reported by critics of this jurisdiction that the aged Vitaly was kidnapped and was essentially a figurehead, being unfit for [[bishop|episcopal]] governance. Courts in Canada and New York have rejected this claim after taking into account multiple court-mandated psychiatric evaluations.<ref>New York Supreme Court, Part 34, Index No. 500180/2001, Chemodakov V. Oustinow, p. 11</ref><br />
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According to its website, the ROCE currently has 8 [[parish]]es, missions and home [[chapel]]s, along with one convent, in the United States; 8 parishes, missions and chapels, along with 2 [[monasticism|monastic]] [[skete]]s, in Canada; 2 parishes and one convent in South America; 8 parishes in Europe; and a "[[deanery]]" of [[clergy]] and monastics in Russia. The ROCE also has a handful of clergy and laymen throughout the world which hold allegiance to it but may not have any parish associated with them.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
<references/><br />
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==External links==<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/ Official site, Russian]<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/engindex.html Official site, English]<br />
*[http://www.rocie.org/ ROCIE News, English]<br />
*[http://www.stvladimirs.ca/ St. Vladimir's Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Edmonton, English]<br />
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[[Category:Jurisdictions]]<br />
[[Category:Old Calendarist Jurisdictions]]</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48528Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T23:49:49Z<p>Aeturneus: </p>
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<div>The '''Russian Orthodox Church in Exile''' (ROCE/ROCIE) is a [[jurisdiction]] formed in 2001 in protest against and breaking from the [[Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia]], primarily over the latter's ongoing rapprochement process with the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]]. The ROCE still sometimes uses the ROCOR/ROCA name and regards itself as the true ROCOR.<br />
<br />
The two jurisdictions are sometimes distinguished as '''ROCOR (V)''' and '''ROCOR (L)''', the initial in parentheses referring to the [[primate]] of each group.<br />
<br />
The ROCE was led by Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York]], who had retired as the primate of the ROCOR, but passed away on [[September 25]], 2006. Upon the formation of the ROCE Metropolitan Vitaly was declared by the ROCE to have been retired forcibly by his enemies in ROCOR and then removed to Canada, where he governed the ROCE. It is reported by critics of this jurisdiction that the aged Vitaly was kidnapped and was essentially a figurehead, being unfit for [[bishop|episcopal]] governance. Courts in Canada and New York have rejected this claim after taking into account multiple court-mandated psychiatric evaluations.<ref>New York Supreme Court, Index No. 500180/2001, Chemodakov V. Oustinow, p. 11</ref><br />
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According to its website, the ROCE currently has 8 [[parish]]es, missions and home [[chapel]]s, along with one convent, in the United States; 8 parishes, missions and chapels, along with 2 [[monasticism|monastic]] [[skete]]s, in Canada; 2 parishes and one convent in South America; 8 parishes in Europe; and a "[[deanery]]" of [[clergy]] and monastics in Russia. The ROCE also has a handful of clergy and laymen throughout the world which hold allegiance to it but may not have any parish associated with them.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
<references/><br />
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==External links==<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/ Official site, Russian]<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/engindex.html Official site, English]<br />
*[http://www.rocie.org/ ROCIE News, English]<br />
*[http://www.stvladimirs.ca/ St. Vladimir's Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Edmonton, English]<br />
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[[Category:Jurisdictions]]<br />
[[Category:Old Calendarist Jurisdictions]]</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48527Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T23:48:28Z<p>Aeturneus: </p>
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<div>The '''Russian Orthodox Church in Exile''' (ROCE/ROCIE) is a [[jurisdiction]] formed in 2001 in protest against and breaking from the [[Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia]], primarily over the latter's ongoing rapprochement process with the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]]. The ROCE still sometimes uses the ROCOR/ROCA name and regards itself as the true ROCOR.<br />
<br />
The two jurisdictions are sometimes distinguished as '''ROCOR (V)''' and '''ROCOR (L)''', the initial in parentheses referring to the [[primate]] of each group.<br />
<br />
The ROCE was led by Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York]], who had retired as the primate of the ROCOR, but passed away on [[September 25]], 2006. Upon the formation of the ROCE Metropolitan Vitaly was declared by the ROCE to have been retired forcibly by his enemies in ROCOR and then removed to Canada, where he governed the ROCE. It is reported by critics of this jurisdiction that the aged Vitaly was kidnapped and was essentially a figurehead, being unfit for [[bishop|episcopal]] governance. Courts in Canada and New York have rejected this claim after taking into account multiple mandatory psychiatric evaluations.<ref>New York Supreme Court, Index No. 500180/2001, Chemodakov V. Oustinow, p. 11</ref><br />
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According to its website, the ROCE currently has 8 [[parish]]es, missions and home [[chapel]]s, along with one convent, in the United States; 8 parishes, missions and chapels, along with 2 [[monasticism|monastic]] [[skete]]s, in Canada; 2 parishes and one convent in South America; 8 parishes in Europe; and a "[[deanery]]" of [[clergy]] and monastics in Russia. The ROCE also has a handful of clergy and laymen throughout the world which hold allegiance to it but may not have any parish associated with them.<br />
<br />
== Notes ==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/ Official site, Russian]<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/engindex.html Official site, English]<br />
*[http://www.rocie.org/ ROCIE News, English]<br />
*[http://www.stvladimirs.ca/ St. Vladimir's Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Edmonton, English]<br />
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[[Category:Jurisdictions]]<br />
[[Category:Old Calendarist Jurisdictions]]</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48526Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T23:47:49Z<p>Aeturneus: </p>
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<div>The '''Russian Orthodox Church in Exile''' (ROCE/ROCIE) is a [[jurisdiction]] formed in 2001 in protest against and breaking from the [[Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia]], primarily over the latter's ongoing rapprochement process with the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]]. The ROCE still sometimes uses the ROCOR/ROCA name and regards itself as the true ROCOR.<br />
<br />
The two jurisdictions are sometimes distinguished as '''ROCOR (V)''' and '''ROCOR (L)''', the initial in parentheses referring to the [[primate]] of each group.<br />
<br />
The ROCE was led by Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York]], who had retired as the primate of the ROCOR, but passed away on [[September 25]], 2006. Upon the formation of the ROCE Metropolitan Vitaly was declared by the ROCE to have been retired forcibly by his enemies in ROCOR and then removed to Canada, where he governed the ROCE. It is reported by critics of this jurisdiction that the aged Vitaly was kidnapped and was essentially a figurehead, being unfit for [[bishop|episcopal]] governance. Courts in Canada and New York have rejected this claim after taking into account multiple mandatory psychiatric evaluations.<ref>New York Supreme Court, Index No. 500180/2001, Chemodakov V. Oustinow, p. 11</ref><br />
<br />
According to its website, the ROCE currently has 8 [[parish]]es, missions and home [[chapel]]s, along with one convent, in the United States; 8 parishes, missions and chapels, along with 2 [[monasticism|monastic]] [[skete]]s, in Canada; 2 parishes and one convent in South America; 8 parishes in Europe; and a "[[deanery]]" of [[clergy]] and monastics in Russia. The ROCE also has a handful of clergy and laymen throughout the world which hold allegiance to it but may not have any parish associated with them.<br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/ Official site, Russian]<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/engindex.html Official site, English]<br />
*[http://www.rocie.org/ ROCIE News, English]<br />
*[http://www.stvladimirs.ca/ St. Vladimir's Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Edmonton, English]<br />
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[[Category:Jurisdictions]]<br />
[[Category:Old Calendarist Jurisdictions]]</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48525Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T23:46:43Z<p>Aeturneus: </p>
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<div>The '''Russian Orthodox Church in Exile''' (ROCE/ROCIE) is a [[jurisdiction]] formed in 2001 in protest against and breaking from the [[Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia]], primarily over the latter's ongoing rapprochement process with the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]]. The ROCE still sometimes uses the ROCOR/ROCA name and regards itself as the true ROCOR.<br />
<br />
The two jurisdictions are sometimes distinguished as '''ROCOR (V)''' and '''ROCOR (L)''', the initial in parentheses referring to the [[primate]] of each group.<br />
<br />
The ROCE was led by Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York]], who had retired as the primate of the ROCOR, but passed away on [[September 25]], 2006. Upon the formation of the ROCE Metropolitan Vitaly was declared by the ROCE to have been retired forcibly by his enemies in ROCOR and then removed to Canada, where he governed the ROCE. It is reported by critics of this jurisdiction that the aged Vitaly was kidnapped and was essentially a figurehead, being unfit for [[bishop|episcopal]] governance. Courts in Canada and New York have rejected this claim after taking into account multiple mandatory psychiatric evaluations.[[1]]<br />
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According to its website, the ROCE currently has 8 [[parish]]es, missions and home [[chapel]]s, along with one convent, in the United States; 8 parishes, missions and chapels, along with 2 [[monasticism|monastic]] [[skete]]s, in Canada; 2 parishes and one convent in South America; 8 parishes in Europe; and a "[[deanery]]" of [[clergy]] and monastics in Russia. The ROCE also has a handful of clergy and laymen throughout the world which hold allegiance to it but may not have any parish associated with them.<br />
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[[1]](New York Supreme Court, Index No. 500180/2001, Chemodakov V. Oustinow, p. 11)<br />
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==External links==<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/ Official site, Russian]<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/engindex.html Official site, English]<br />
*[http://www.rocie.org/ ROCIE News, English]<br />
*[http://www.stvladimirs.ca/ St. Vladimir's Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Edmonton, English]<br />
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[[Category:Old Calendarist Jurisdictions]]</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48524Talk:Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T23:45:08Z<p>Aeturneus: </p>
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<div>Criminal allegations are libelous if they are false, and the claim that Metropolitan Vitaly was "kidnapped" has been rejected by the New York Supreme Court. I'm making appropriate corrections, but this would be something to beware of in future! --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 05:25, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: That the court rejected the claim (citation?) does not mean that the claim was not made. I've restored the original wording. It's not libelous to report in the article that the claim was made. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 15:49, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: Fair enough, but let's at least make some mention of the fact that this has been before the courts rather than leave it implied that this accusation has never been tested. It was, extensively. I have the following citation from the judgement in mind: "The [Report of the court appointed evaluator] confirms that Metropolitan Oustinow suffers from some memory loss and becomes somewhat confused when pressed for details regarding his property and assets, but has no apparent difficulty in describing his personal history or in expressing his thoughts and feelings concerning the Church and his ideological viewpoint regarding the separation from Moscow and other matters. While reluctant to do so, he expressed his opinion that it was inappropriate for the petitioner herein to interpose himself and ask to be appointed Guardian (Report, p. 5) and volunteered that "there was a personal misunderstanding between him and Bishop Gabriel regarding the inner policy of the Church and that is why he left New York" (Report, p. 4)." (New York Supreme Court, Index No. 500180/2001, Chemodakov V. Oustinow, p. 11) --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 16:26, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:I might add that there were at least half a dozen motions filed in Canada as well that were ultimately thrown out after two psychiatric evaluations failed to show the requisite lack of capacity on the Metropolitan's part. --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 16:29, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:: Feel free to incorporate this information into the article with the citation. The full quote is probably not necessary, as it would imbalance the article length, but a brief statement with a reference would work. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 16:40, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::: Thanks, I tried, I hope it's alright now. Ah, I'll add the citation as well --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 16:44, March 25, 2007 (PDT)</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48523Talk:Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T23:44:36Z<p>Aeturneus: </p>
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<div>Criminal allegations are libelous if they are false, and the claim that Metropolitan Vitaly was "kidnapped" has been rejected by the New York Supreme Court. I'm making appropriate corrections, but this would be something to beware of in future! --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 05:25, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: That the court rejected the claim (citation?) does not mean that the claim was not made. I've restored the original wording. It's not libelous to report in the article that the claim was made. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 15:49, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: Fair enough, but let's at least make some mention of the fact that this has been before the courts rather than leave it implied that this accusation has never been tested. It was, extensively. I have the following citation from the judgement in mind: "The [Report of the court appointed evaluator] confirms that Metropolitan Oustinow suffers from some memory loss and becomes somewhat confused when pressed for details regarding his property and assets, but has no apparent difficulty in describing his personal history or in expressing his thoughts and feelings concerning the Church and his ideological viewpoint regarding the separation from Moscow and other matters. While reluctant to do so, he expressed his opinion that it was inappropriate for the petitioner herein to interpose himself and ask to be appointed Guardian (Report, p. 5) and volunteered that "there was a personal misunderstanding between him and Bishop Gabriel regarding the inner policy of the Church and that is why he left New York" (Report, p. 4)." (New York Supreme Court, Index No. 500180/2001, Chemodakov V. Oustinow, p. 11) --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 16:26, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:I might add that there were at least half a dozen motions filed in Canada as well that were ultimately thrown out after two psychiatric evaluations failed to show the requisite lack of capacity on the Metropolitan's part. --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 16:29, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:: Feel free to incorporate this information into the article with the citation. The full quote is probably not necessary, as it would imbalance the article length, but a brief statement with a reference would work. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 16:40, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::: Thanks, I tried, I hope it's alright now. --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 16:44, March 25, 2007 (PDT)</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48522Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T23:42:05Z<p>Aeturneus: </p>
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<div>The '''Russian Orthodox Church in Exile''' (ROCE/ROCIE) is a [[jurisdiction]] formed in 2001 in protest against and breaking from the [[Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia]], primarily over the latter's ongoing rapprochement process with the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]]. The ROCE still sometimes uses the ROCOR/ROCA name and regards itself as the true ROCOR.<br />
<br />
The two jurisdictions are sometimes distinguished as '''ROCOR (V)''' and '''ROCOR (L)''', the initial in parentheses referring to the [[primate]] of each group.<br />
<br />
The ROCE was led by Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York]], who had retired as the primate of the ROCOR, but passed away on [[September 25]], 2006. Upon the formation of the ROCE Metropolitan Vitaly was declared by the ROCE to have been retired forcibly by his enemies in ROCOR and then removed to Canada, where he governed the ROCE. It is reported by critics of this jurisdiction that the aged Vitaly was kidnapped and was essentially a figurehead, being unfit for [[bishop|episcopal]] governance. Courts in Canada and New York have rejected this claim after taking into account multiple mandatory psychiatric evaluations. One of these evaluations involved Canadian Police forcibly removing the aged hierarch from the altar during the vigil service, raising allegations of persecution from members of ROCE, which were heightened when Bishop Michael (Donskoff) of the ROCOR attempted to return the Metropolitan to New York, apparently against his will.<br />
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According to its website, the ROCE currently has 8 [[parish]]es, missions and home [[chapel]]s, along with one convent, in the United States; 8 parishes, missions and chapels, along with 2 [[monasticism|monastic]] [[skete]]s, in Canada; 2 parishes and one convent in South America; 8 parishes in Europe; and a "[[deanery]]" of [[clergy]] and monastics in Russia. The ROCE also has a handful of clergy and laymen throughout the world which hold allegiance to it but may not have any parish associated with them.<br />
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==External links==<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/ Official site, Russian]<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/engindex.html Official site, English]<br />
*[http://www.rocie.org/ ROCIE News, English]<br />
*[http://www.stvladimirs.ca/ St. Vladimir's Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Edmonton, English]<br />
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[[Category:Jurisdictions]]<br />
[[Category:Old Calendarist Jurisdictions]]</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48517Talk:Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T23:30:58Z<p>Aeturneus: </p>
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<div>Criminal allegations are libelous if they are false, and the claim that Metropolitan Vitaly was "kidnapped" has been rejected by the New York Supreme Court. I'm making appropriate corrections, but this would be something to beware of in future! --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 05:25, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: That the court rejected the claim (citation?) does not mean that the claim was not made. I've restored the original wording. It's not libelous to report in the article that the claim was made. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 15:49, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: Fair enough, but let's at least make some mention of the fact that this has been before the courts rather than leave it implied that this accusation has never been tested. It was, extensively. I have the following citation from the judgement in mind: "The [Report of the court appointed evaluator] confirms that Metropolitan Oustinow suffers from some memory loss and becomes somewhat confused when pressed for details regarding his property and assets, but has no apparent difficulty in describing his personal history or in expressing his thoughts and feelings concerning the Church and his ideological viewpoint regarding the separation from Moscow and other matters. While reluctant to do so, he expressed his opinion that it was inappropriate for the petitioner herein to interpose himself and ask to be appointed Guardian (Report, p. 5) and volunteered that "there was a personal misunderstanding between him and Bishop Gabriel regarding the inner policy of the Church and that is why he left New York" (Report, p. 4)." (New York Supreme Court, Index No. 500180/2001, Chemodakov V. Oustinow, p. 11) --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 16:26, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:I might add that there were at least half a dozen motions filed in Canada as well that were ultimately thrown out after two psychiatric evaluations failed to show the requisite lack of capacity on the Metropolitan's part. --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 16:29, March 25, 2007 (PDT)</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48516Talk:Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T23:29:43Z<p>Aeturneus: </p>
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<div>Criminal allegations are libelous if they are false, and the claim that Metropolitan Vitaly was "kidnapped" has been rejected by the New York Supreme Court. I'm making appropriate corrections, but this would be something to beware of in future! --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 05:25, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: That the court rejected the claim (citation?) does not mean that the claim was not made. I've restored the original wording. It's not libelous to report in the article that the claim was made. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 15:49, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: Fair enough, but let's at least make some mention of the fact that this has been before the courts. I have the following citation from the judgement in mind: "The [Report of the court appointed evaluator] confirms that Metropolitan Oustinow suffers from some memory loss and becomes somewhat confused when pressed for details regarding his property and assets, but has no apparent difficulty in describing his personal history or in expressing his thoughts and feelings concerning the Church and his ideological viewpoint regarding the separation from Moscow and other matters. While reluctant to do so, he expressed his opinion that it was inappropriate for the petitioner herein to interpose himself and ask to be appointed Guardian (Report, p. 5) and volunteered that "there was a personal misunderstanding between him and Bishop Gabriel regarding the inner policy of the Church and that is why he left New York" (Report, p. 4)." (New York Supreme Court, Index No. 500180/2001, Chemodakov V. Oustinow, p. 11) --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 16:26, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:I might add that there were at least half a dozen motions filed in Canada as well that were ultimately thrown out after two psychiatric evaluations failed to show the requisite lack of capacity on the Metropolitan's part. --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 16:29, March 25, 2007 (PDT)</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48515Talk:Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T23:26:22Z<p>Aeturneus: </p>
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<div>Criminal allegations are libelous if they are false, and the claim that Metropolitan Vitaly was "kidnapped" has been rejected by the New York Supreme Court. I'm making appropriate corrections, but this would be something to beware of in future! --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 05:25, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: That the court rejected the claim (citation?) does not mean that the claim was not made. I've restored the original wording. It's not libelous to report in the article that the claim was made. &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 15:49, March 25, 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: Fair enough, but let's at least make some mention of the fact that this has been before the courts. I have the following citation from the judgement in mind: "The [Report of the court appointed evaluator] confirms that Metropolitan Oustinow suffers from some memory loss and becomes somewhat confused when pressed for details regarding his property and assets, but has no apparent difficulty in describing his personal history or in expressing his thoughts and feelings concerning the Church and his ideological viewpoint regarding the separation from Moscow and other matters. While reluctant to do so, he expressed his opinion that it was inappropriate for the petitioner herein to interpose himself and ask to be appointed Guardian (Report, p. 5) and volunteered that "there was a personal misunderstanding between him and Bishop Gabriel regarding the inner policy of the Church and that is why he left New York" (Report, p. 4)." (New York Supreme Court, Index No. 500180/2001, Chemodakov V. Oustinow, p. 11) --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 16:26, March 25, 2007 (PDT)</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48462Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T12:33:08Z<p>Aeturneus: Removed possibly libelous statement, revised for clarity and precision.</p>
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<div>The '''Russian Orthodox Church in Exile''' (ROCE/ROCIE) is a [[jurisdiction]] formed in 2001 in protest against and breaking from the [[Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia]], primarily over the latter's ongoing rapprochement process with the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]]. The ROCE still sometimes uses the ROCOR/ROCA name and regards itself as the true successor of ROCOR.<br />
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The two jurisdictions are sometimes distinguished as '''ROCOR (V)''' and '''ROCOR (L)''', the initial in parentheses referring to the [[primate]] of each group.<br />
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The ROCE was led by Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York]], who passed away on [[September 25]], 2006. In 2001 Metropolitan Vitaly issued a declaration recinding his retirement a year earlier, and moved to Canada from where he governed the ROCE until his repose. Currently the ROCE awaits the election of a new first hierarch.<br />
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According to its website, the ROCE currently has 8 [[parish]]es, missions and home [[chapel]]s, along with one convent, in the United States; 8 parishes, missions and chapels, along with 2 [[monasticism|monastic]] [[skete]]s, in Canada; 2 parishes and one convent in South America; 8 parishes in Europe; and a "[[deanery]]" of [[clergy]] and monastics in Russia. The ROCE also has a handful of clergy and laymen throughout the world which hold allegiance to it but may not have any parish associated with them.<br />
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==External links==<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/ Official site, Russian]<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/engindex.html Official site, English]<br />
*[http://www.rocie.org/ ROCIE News, English]<br />
*[http://www.stvladimirs.ca/ St. Vladimir's Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Edmonton, English]<br />
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[[Category:Old Calendarist Jurisdictions]]</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48461Talk:Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T12:25:42Z<p>Aeturneus: New page: Criminal allegations are libelous if they are false, and the claim that Metropolitan Vitaly was "kidnapped" has been rejected by the New York Supreme Court. I'm making appropriate correcti...</p>
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<div>Criminal allegations are libelous if they are false, and the claim that Metropolitan Vitaly was "kidnapped" has been rejected by the New York Supreme Court. I'm making appropriate corrections, but this would be something to beware of in future! --[[User:Aeturneus|Aeturneus]] 05:25, March 25, 2007 (PDT)</div>Aeturneushttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Russian_Orthodox_Church_in_Exile&diff=48460Russian Orthodox Church in Exile2007-03-25T12:18:11Z<p>Aeturneus: /* External links */ added a link to St. Vladimir's Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Edmonton. This is the home of the diocese of Western Canada and one of ROCIE's most active communities in North Ameri</p>
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<div>The '''Russian Orthodox Church in Exile''' (ROCE/ROCIE) is a [[jurisdiction]] formed in 2001 in protest against and breaking from the [[Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia]], primarily over the latter's ongoing rapprochement process with the [[Church of Russia|Moscow Patriarchate]]. The ROCE still sometimes uses the ROCOR/ROCA name and regards itself as the true ROCOR.<br />
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The two jurisdictions are sometimes distinguished as '''ROCOR (V)''' and '''ROCOR (L)''', the initial in parentheses referring to the [[primate]] of each group.<br />
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The ROCE was led by Metropolitan [[Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York]], who had retired as the primate of the ROCOR, but passed away on [[September 25]], 2006. Upon the formation of the ROCE Metropolitan Vitaly was declared by the ROCE to have been retired forcibly by his enemies in ROCOR and then removed to Canada, where he governs the ROCE. It is reported by critics of this jurisdiction that the aged Vitaly was kidnapped and is essentially a figurehead, being unfit for [[bishop|episcopal]] governance. <br />
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According to its website, the ROCE currently has 8 [[parish]]es, missions and home [[chapel]]s, along with one convent, in the United States; 8 parishes, missions and chapels, along with 2 [[monasticism|monastic]] [[skete]]s, in Canada; 2 parishes and one convent in South America; 8 parishes in Europe; and a "[[deanery]]" of [[clergy]] and monastics in Russia. The ROCE also has a handful of clergy and laymen throughout the world which hold allegiance to it but may not have any parish associated with them.<br />
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==External links==<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/ Official site, Russian]<br />
*[http://www.russianorthodoxchurchinexile.com/engindex.html Official site, English]<br />
*[http://www.stvladimirs.ca/ St. Vladimir's Russian Orthodox Cathedral in Edmonton, English]<br />
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[[Category:Old Calendarist Jurisdictions]]</div>Aeturneus