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::::By all means, check with the Romanians. I've seen icons of him, but this could easily be a fringe thing (like the similar ones of St. Nikolai Rasputin). Although it brings up an interesting problem: in case of disagreement between two Orthodox groups, one of them perhaps much smaller than the other, what is the policy?
 
:::::Who is Nikolai Rasputin?? Are you talking about [[Gregory Efimovich Rasputin]]! He certainly is NOT a saint! [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 13:20, July 28, 2009 (UTC)
 
::::::Whoops. Right, I mean Grigory. Well, YOU feel sure that he was "certainly" not a saint, but other Orthodox people claim that he is. http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/10/01/rasputin-to-become-a-saint/ Who's to decide?[[User:Zla'od|Zla'od]] 03:29, July 29, 2009 (UTC)
::::If he was Orthodox, and if he died in battle against the Turks, then "Great-Martyr" would be appropriate, no? But I admit that all this is far from my area of knowledge.[[User:Zla'od|Zla'od]] 01:47, July 28, 2009 (UTC)
::::: Hello. [http://www.patriarh.ro/Index/sfintiromani.php| Here is a list of romanian saints,] but in romanian. [http://www.univ-ovidius.ro/btcassian/SINAXAR_ORTODOX/main.htm| Here is another list of romanian saints, in romanian language.] You can check by name, it is not difficul. [http://www.pomog.org/index.html?http://www.pomog.org/saintlist.shtml| Here is a list of saints from a ROCOR church]. You will not find him, because he is not a saint. This article is a vandalism. [[User:Maraamu|Maraamu]] 06:59, July 28, 2009 (UTC)
 
::::::Are you sure that this list is exhaustive? As far as I know, saints do not need to be formally canonized, as in the Catholic church, but are often recognized as the result of grass-roots support. Whether Dracula is an example of this, I do not know, but assuming that at least some Romanians support him as such, while others oppose, what is this site to do?[[User:Zla'od|Zla'od]] 03:29, July 29, 2009 (UTC)
 
::::A person who happens to be Orthodox, killed in battle by a person who happens to be non-Orthodox, is not automatically a Great-Martyr (or, afaik, any other kind of martyr). He wasn't killed for his religion, and certainly not tortured. An example of a Great-Martyr would be St George, who was a soldier, yes; but he was tortured and killed for being a Christian by his own government. &mdash; by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 12:33, July 28, 2009 (UTC)
 
:::::Well, he was "killed for his religion" in the sense that he died while fighting a war to protect it. But I was unsure of the terminology myself, and defer to your expertise on the matter.
 
:::::What about all those churches and monasteries he founded? Could we call him a patron of Orthodoxy, along the lines of Constantine? [[User:Zla&#39;od|Zla&#39;od]] 03:29, July 29, 2009 (UTC)
::::: HelloIn case of disagreement between Orthodox groups, we run with what the local Holy Synod has/has not said. If there is notable disagreement (which isn't the case here), we document that. [httpWe're an encyclopaedia, not a news source.:::://wwwWho's to decide? Holy Synods.patriarh Certainly not OrthodoxWiki.ro/Index/sfintiromani.php| Here is If a person hasn't been glorified as a list of romanian saint, then they are not listed among the saints,] but in romanian- that seems almost tautological. [http:::://www.univ-ovidiusHe wasn't killed for his religion in particular.ro/btcassian/SINAXAR_ORTODOX/main.htm| Here is another list of romanian saintsReligion tends to be secondary in war, and at this point I've no reason to believe that this one was any different to, say, in romanian languageall the wars between the Byzantine Empire (Orthodox) and their various opponents (usually not Orthodox).] You can check by name No one's suggesting Paleologus should be glorified, it is not difficuleither. [http:::://wwwWe aren't calling him anything new. Constantine was glorified by the Church.pomog Other rulers were, e.org/indexg.html?http://wwwTsar Nicholas II (due largely to his murder).pomog This one was, and is, not.org/saintlist That's really as far as OW goes.shtml| Here If there are fringe groups saying that he is a list of saints from a ROCOR church]. You will not find himsaint, then these can be documented, because but he is not considered to be a saintby the Church Militant at this time. This article is a vandalism. &mdash; by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[Usertalk:MaraamuPistevo/dev/null|Maraamu<font color="red">complaints</font>]] ''</sup> at 06:5922, July 2829, 2009 (UTC)
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