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I am again removing this section, which has been used as your personal soapbox long enough.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 17:08, August 25, 2008 (UTC)
== Dom Augustine ==
I don't think that details of Dom Augustine's personal circumstances belong on a page dedicated to the Sarum. However, I do think that Dom Augustine's contributions merit a page of his own. --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 17:13, August 26, 2008 (UTC)
Technically, Fr Augustine did not bring back the Sarum rite either, so the question of whether he belongs on this page at all is debatable. Since Aristibule put thought his contribution worthwhile, I placed it in the same paragraph as the Milan usage, since Fr Augustine, in the end, is under the spiritual care of a priest of the Milan Synod.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 18:15, August 26, 2008 (UTC)
Fr Lev - yes, true. Of course, Fr. Augustine is still ROCOR, though retired. He has contact with people from various jurisdictions and non-Orthodox but he remains ROCOR (as he insists.) He has no antimins from Milan Synod, and does not consider himself so: he should remain in the paragraph describing ROCOR Sarum. Please pray, as he has suffered some from Tropical Storm Fay. His contribution to the Sarum use in ROCOR is important, as he and his monks produced a translation of the Sarum use into English a few decades ago. At one of the ROCOR hermitages a few years ago, we used this Mount Royal Old English (Sarum) for Holy Week services. So, his contribution is still active (and even provides the basis for the Saint Colman Prayer Book - which built upon Fr. Augustine's work within a Sarum framework.) A ROCOR hieromonk has prepared the Mount Royal Old English rite as a .doc file if you are interested. --[[User:Aristibule|Ari]] 23:03, August 26, 2008 (UTC)
Aristibule attempted to argue with me over the phone that "Father Augustine has a ROCOR antimens and he commemorate Metr Hilarion in services"; he seemed unaware that Fr Augustine doesn't CELEBRATE services, and goes to services with Fr Cuthbert (Pierce), a hieromonk of the Milan Synod. Fr Augustine left ROCOR (we have his letter to that effect), he went to L'ECOF after ROCOR banned Western Rites in 1975, and other places before finally retiring in Florida, where he began to communicate at Holyrood House in Florida. (Father Michael falsely claims that this is a ROCOR dependency of St Petroc's.) Aristibule is making up a story, and it's time for the stories to stop. They are taking advantage of a venerable hieromonk's age to manipulate the truth. --[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 00:39, August 27, 2008 (UTC)
I have never heard from anyone in the Church of France (ECOF) that Dom Augustine was ever connected with it. I would be quite surprised to find out if this were in fact true. Joseph, can you tell me what years you believe Dom Augustine was part of the French Church? I would be happy to check with Bishop Germain. When I corresponded with Dom Augustine while working on my dissertation, he didn't mention the French Church. --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 01:39, August 27, 2008 (UTC)
As I understand he was loosely affiliated with them in the late 70's. I am not sure of the dates. What I *am* sure of, however, is that he was not considered a priest of ROCOR, and was not included in any ROCOR directories after 1975 (I am not sure he was in any beforehand either). Apparently after the Western rite prohibition in ROCOR, Bishop Gregory, who was secretary at Synod until the 80's, officially denied Fr Augustine's existence, let alone membership or priesthood.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 01:48, August 27, 2008 (UTC)
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