Talk:Typika

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This article says that Typika is served after 9th Hour. We just did that in our parish for Royal Hours of Great and Holy Friday. But the Daily Cycle article says that Typika can be included in the Midday Aggregate after 6th Hour. 9th Hour is part of the Night Aggregate. I have also attended on of these where our priest was abscent and we said 3rd and 6th hour and then Typika. I also know that in the Russian tradition the All Night Vigil consists of Vespers, Matins, and 1st Hour. Then the next morning they say 3rd Hour and 6th Hour and then the Divine Liturgy. So it seems weird that the 9th Hour is not part of the All Night Vigil and that Liturgy is after 6th Hour, not 9th Hour. Can anyone explain this?
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--[[User:Ryan Close|Ryan Close]] 17:37, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
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== Typical Psalms ==
 
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Should info on Missa Sicca be here or in another article?--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 13:29, August 4, 2008 (UTC)
 
Should info on Missa Sicca be here or in another article?--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 13:29, August 4, 2008 (UTC)
:: Is that an Orthodox service? Also is it a more like a the [[Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts]]? - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 13:54, August 12, 2008 (UTC)
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:: Is that an Orthodox service? Also is it a more like a the [[Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts]] served by a priest? - [[User:Andrew|Andy]] 13:54, August 12, 2008 (UTC)
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It is an Orthodox service, but it common to the Western Rite (regardless of jurisdiction). It literally means "dry mass", and is more like the Eastern typika service, not the Liturgy of the Presanctified (though the liturgy of the presanctified is like the typika); it can be served by a deacon, and can be done like the reader service if the blessings are removed. Presanctified gifts can be served by a deacon.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 00:22, August 13, 2008 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 10:37, April 2, 2010

Position in the Daily Cycle?

This article says that Typika is served after 9th Hour. We just did that in our parish for Royal Hours of Great and Holy Friday. But the Daily Cycle article says that Typika can be included in the Midday Aggregate after 6th Hour. 9th Hour is part of the Night Aggregate. I have also attended on of these where our priest was abscent and we said 3rd and 6th hour and then Typika. I also know that in the Russian tradition the All Night Vigil consists of Vespers, Matins, and 1st Hour. Then the next morning they say 3rd Hour and 6th Hour and then the Divine Liturgy. So it seems weird that the 9th Hour is not part of the All Night Vigil and that Liturgy is after 6th Hour, not 9th Hour. Can anyone explain this?

--Ryan Close 17:37, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Typical Psalms

I personally don't agree with merging the article on the Typical Psalms with Typika... because the Typical Psalms are normally the first three antiphons in the Liturgy, according to the Slavic and Pre-Violakes Typikons. They are only part of Typika when there is no liturgy. If someone finds a reference to the Typical Psalms in reference to the Liturgy, and comes to Orthodoxwiki looking for more information, and then ends up on the Typika page, I think they will just end up confused. Frjohnwhiteford 18:04, April 13, 2007 (PDT)

I wasn't aware that they bore this title even within the liturgy. I'll revert the redirect, though I do think that the Typical Psalms article doesn't need either the full text of the Psalms nor a description of the Typika service. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 19:39, April 13, 2007 (PDT)
I agree with you there. Including a text has two problems. Either you have the full text, even though some parishes abbreviate it, or you have an abbreviated text that differs from other abbreviations and the full text; and then there is the whole question of translations... and on that there is not uniformity. And other than mentioning that these psalms are used in typika as well as in the liturgy, there is no reason to go into detail about the typika service. It might be worth pointing out that even the Byzantine antiphons take verses from these psalms, when it is not a feast.

Frjohnwhiteford 19:53, April 13, 2007 (PDT)

Missa Sicca

Should info on Missa Sicca be here or in another article?--JosephSuaiden 13:29, August 4, 2008 (UTC)

Is that an Orthodox service? Also is it a more like a the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts served by a priest? - Andy 13:54, August 12, 2008 (UTC)

It is an Orthodox service, but it common to the Western Rite (regardless of jurisdiction). It literally means "dry mass", and is more like the Eastern typika service, not the Liturgy of the Presanctified (though the liturgy of the presanctified is like the typika); it can be served by a deacon, and can be done like the reader service if the blessings are removed. Presanctified gifts can be served by a deacon.--JosephSuaiden 00:22, August 13, 2008 (UTC)

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