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==How to add to the Timeline:==
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=== The Repose ===
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If you wish to add the repose of a saint, the following guidelines can help:
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# It is preferred that you start with their name then a comma then the way they died and a place (if known) another comma and then the date they died and are commemorated by the church then a semi-colon eg:
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*<Year> <[[:Name of Saint]]>, bishop of <place>, <crucifixion>, d. <[[:Date of death]]>, FD: <[[:Date of commemoration]]>;
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*<Year> <[[:Name of Saint]]> (born-died), bishop of <place>, died by <crucifixion>, <[[:Date of commemoration]]>;
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*<Year> <[[:Name of Saint]]> (born-died), abbess of <place>, martyred under <name>, <[[:Date of commemoration]]>;
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etc.
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Some further points:
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* Dont be afraid to use the <"ref"> tag to add either:
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a) Reference to a CREDIBLE/HISTORICAL Source you have used to take the information; or
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b) Historical fact connecting them to either a historical personality (such as son of King X) OR father of another saint etc.
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== List of WORK: ==
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The following pages are OrthodoxWiki information that should be included in this article. As each one is completed just put the date you finised next to it.
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;Completed:
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*[[:Timeline of Church History]] - All references to saints in this article transferred and completed 26/5.
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*[[:Category:American Saints]] - Done 26/5.
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*[[:Category:Greek Saints]]- Done 27/5.
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*[[:Category:French Saints]] - Done 3/7.
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;In Progress:
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*[[:Category:Biblical Saints]], ''partially complete. Not so easy since many of the apostels have no recorded death.''
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*[[:Category:Saints]] - All saints listed under "A". 3/7 - all done (except for the Apostles)
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*[[:Category:Saints]] - All saints listed under "B". 4/7 - all done (except [[List of Bulgarian Saints]]).
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*[[:Category:Saints]] - All saints listed under "C".
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etc ...
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*[[:Category:Saints of the British Isles]] - in progress. High Priority - outcomes will be transferred to [[:Timeline of Orthodoxy in Britain]]
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==Centuries==
 
OMG....The 1st century was the century that lasted from 1 to 100 not from 101 - 200. From 101 to 200 was the Second century.  
 
OMG....The 1st century was the century that lasted from 1 to 100 not from 101 - 200. From 101 to 200 was the Second century.  
 
[[User:Maraamu|Maraamu]] 06:44, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
 
[[User:Maraamu|Maraamu]] 06:44, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
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There is no need to add the proposals. If someone is missing, that is because I just havent gotten around to it ... its a lot of work and it cant all be done in one day. I was tired and needed to stop. Thanks for your keeness though, you can add these people in if you know the date of their death. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 09:34, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
 
There is no need to add the proposals. If someone is missing, that is because I just havent gotten around to it ... its a lot of work and it cant all be done in one day. I was tired and needed to stop. Thanks for your keeness though, you can add these people in if you know the date of their death. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 09:34, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
: Ok. I didn't wanted to change something because that tag that you puted on the start or the article: ,,Refrein from make major changes..." something like that....   
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: Ok. I didn't wanted to change something because that tag that you puted on the start of the article: ,,Refrein from make major changes..." something like that....   
 
:We should do a Main Article with 20th century saints. [[User:Maraamu|Maraamu]] 15:34, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
 
:We should do a Main Article with 20th century saints. [[User:Maraamu|Maraamu]] 15:34, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
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::I notice you created a new article. I know you are excited but dont rush ... duplicating at this stage will only cause mistakes. THIS page needs to be finished FIRST .. THEN we look into developing a sub-article. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 22:51, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
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==Wiki Editing Proposal==
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In Wikipedia I was looking at the following article (which you can possibly refer to as one cross reference (for the early centuries) to ensure there are no Orthodox saints missing here): [[w:Chronological list of saints and blesseds|Chronological list of saints and blesseds]].
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Anyways, I noticed they have organized it in an Excel-like/Table-type format, with cells. Wondering if this format is possible here or might look better; headings can also include:
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Date, Name, Birth, Death/Feastday, Notes. It would mean a lot more work but I thought I would at least draw your attention to it. :) 
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Plus, it might be a good idea to follow the Wikipedia format and create a single article for '''each''' century, if there is enough content. :)
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If we are to include every Orthodox saint, then this is a long long long term project. We would have to go through the entire Synaxaristes and Prologue. In fact, this is one of the agenda items for the upcoming Inter-Orthodox Synod this summer. There is another Greek Orthodox site which has the same purpose and is actively doing the same thing; they have a great start on things, have a look:
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* '''Rev. Oeconomos Christopher Klitou (Holy Metropolitan Diocese of Limassol, Cyprus).''' '''[http://www.christopherklitou.com/when_is_my_nameday_preface.htm The Orthodox Pages: WHEN IS MY NAMEDAY?].''' ''(fairly comprehensive listings, both eastern and western)''
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[[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 23:43, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
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:P.S. - besides the two websites above, we can also check of course the OrthodoxWiki calendar right here, for all 365 days of the year. Whether the sources are 1) Synaxaristes, 2) Prologue, 3) OW Calendar, 4) Other sites -- the fact remains that there will be some Saints for which there are no known or near dates at all; at that point you may wish to make a decision on whether to include those in the article, since this article is date based.
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: A further idea I have is to enlist volunteers (as a workgroup of sorts) to help out with different centuries; they will all need to have access to the sources first though. I realize this scope I have proposed is major, but it would likely make for a well written, comprehensive and thus respected article people will refer to. Alternatively, our scope here could be limited to the more major saints. Either way the scope must be clear. [[User:Angellight 888|Angellight 888]] 01:23, May 28, 2009 (UTC)
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If you look at the history of this article, it was originally created to reflect a "table" style (similar to Wiki) but without knowing that Wiki had something similar. However, I suggest, that before we all get ahead of ourselves and run before we can walk that we prioritise our time in actually documenting the Saints in a systematic approach and in a simple approach (like the article currently reads). This approach will guarantee that all saints get documented - if we revert to fancy tables from the start, the work gets too much and exhasutive and people wont be bothered in contributing because of the complexity. Once this article is full and satisfactory, then User:Andrew can help us to set up some interesting tables since his expertise is in programming. So, can we all keep it simple for now and rush to the good ideas later? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 02:14, May 28, 2009 (UTC)
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:'''[http://www.holytrinityorthodox.com/calendar/ I have this source. It is a greate site. ]'''
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:The ideea with the table is verry good. The wikipedia article looks greate.  [[User:Maraamu|Maraamu]] 09:01, May 28, 2009 (UTC)
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::Hi, it IS! It is fantastic, I have added it to the "Further Reading" section. Thanks for helping out with this article ..there is a LOT of work to do before we even begin to think of making it look fancy! I notice your specialty is the Serbian Saints ..did you want to focus on adding them? [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 09:07, May 28, 2009 (UTC)
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:::My specialty are the 20th cenrury saints, not only the serbs. I'm glad to help because i love verry much the saints that are contemporary with us. It is a lot of work on this subject.  [[User:Maraamu|Maraamu]] 09:24, May 28, 2009 (UTC)
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::::Great! Go for it: [[:Template:Saints20]] ... dont miss any! :) [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 09:32, May 28, 2009 (UTC)
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It seems to me that dividing everything up by included templates creates a level of complexity that's not really needed.  Just make a single master article and link to separate articles for each century, e.g., [[Twentieth Century saints]], etc.
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Generally speaking, the point of a template is that it includes data to be included in multiple articles, not as sub-parts to a single article.  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 12:18, May 28, 2009 (UTC)
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== Greetings ==
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Greetings fellow OW editors. Please do not think for a minute I have forgotten this task ... I lack a personal computer and am unable to do the edits at night. This situation will change soon and I can spend more time cleaning up and developing this project ... ~~ [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]], 24th March 2012 EST.
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== NARCISSUS ==
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* There appears to be two OW articles on a "Narcissus", [[Apostle Narcissus]] and [[Narcissus of Jerusalem]] ... any ideas? ~ [[User:Ixthis888|Ixthis888]], 11:05AM August 10 2011.
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:On the face of it, it seems we have two different people about a century apart. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 01:30, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
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==Apostle Onesimus==
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Will require to identify what is the accepted date of his death. At present three separate sources have different dates, 68AD, 90AD and 109AD. [[User:Ixthis888|Ixthis888]], 3.00PM August 11 2011, EST.
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==Copyright==
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Please read the official Orthodoxwiki copyright position:[[OrthodoxWiki:Copyrights]]. [[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 14:24, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
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:Thanks for the link. The problem I have is that this is not a import from Wikipedia. This article is being prepared through extensive personal research and time ... it would really be a shame if that time and effort is used for others to profit by printing books that will not support the efforts of OrthodoxWiki. Never mind though .. it is what it is. ~ [[User:Ixthis888]]

Latest revision as of 23:58, March 23, 2012

Contents

How to add to the Timeline:

The Repose

If you wish to add the repose of a saint, the following guidelines can help:

  1. It is preferred that you start with their name then a comma then the way they died and a place (if known) another comma and then the date they died and are commemorated by the church then a semi-colon eg:

etc.

Some further points:

  • Dont be afraid to use the <"ref"> tag to add either:

a) Reference to a CREDIBLE/HISTORICAL Source you have used to take the information; or b) Historical fact connecting them to either a historical personality (such as son of King X) OR father of another saint etc.

List of WORK:

The following pages are OrthodoxWiki information that should be included in this article. As each one is completed just put the date you finised next to it.

Completed
In Progress

etc ...


Centuries

OMG....The 1st century was the century that lasted from 1 to 100 not from 101 - 200. From 101 to 200 was the Second century. Maraamu 06:44, May 27, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. You get dizzy when you work on this stuff ... Vasiliki 07:01, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
This list is about only the canonized saints or (and) other personalities? Maraamu 06:51, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm, its a point I questioned myself ... for our century its relevant to include major personalities not yet canonised. However, for older centuried my fear is that it will build into a Wikipedia listing ... at this point, I am trying to transfer all the known dates for saints and get to the next step which is personalities .. who were you thinking of including? Vasiliki 07:01, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
XX century saints - Saint Seraphim of Virits, S. Elizabeth the New Martyr S. Platon of Banja Luka , Anthimos of Hios .[ http://ro.orthodoxwiki.org/Sinaxar_al_Sfin%C5%A3ilor_secolului_XX | At the orthodoxwiki in romanian it is a list of saints from 20th century ] We should have a mention if the person is a saint or a elder 07:31, May 27, 2009 (UTC)

Proposals: Joanikije (Lipovac) of Montenegro, Vladimir (Bogoyavlensky) of Kiev and Gallich, Saint Anthimos of Chios, Justin Popovich, Saints Parthenios and Evmenios of Koudouma Monastery, Ilia the Righteous, Maria Skobtsova, John Iacob the Romanian (the Hozevite), Maxim Sandovich, Peter I (Petrovic) of Cetinje, Petar (Zimonjić) of Dabar-Bosna, Arsenios the Cappadocian, Theophanes (Il'minskii) of Solikamsk, Joanikije (Lipovac) of Montenegro, Archimandrite Philoumenos.

There is no need to add the proposals. If someone is missing, that is because I just havent gotten around to it ... its a lot of work and it cant all be done in one day. I was tired and needed to stop. Thanks for your keeness though, you can add these people in if you know the date of their death. Vasiliki 09:34, May 27, 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I didn't wanted to change something because that tag that you puted on the start of the article: ,,Refrein from make major changes..." something like that....
We should do a Main Article with 20th century saints. Maraamu 15:34, May 27, 2009 (UTC)
I notice you created a new article. I know you are excited but dont rush ... duplicating at this stage will only cause mistakes. THIS page needs to be finished FIRST .. THEN we look into developing a sub-article. Vasiliki 22:51, May 27, 2009 (UTC)


Wiki Editing Proposal

In Wikipedia I was looking at the following article (which you can possibly refer to as one cross reference (for the early centuries) to ensure there are no Orthodox saints missing here): Chronological list of saints and blesseds. Anyways, I noticed they have organized it in an Excel-like/Table-type format, with cells. Wondering if this format is possible here or might look better; headings can also include: Date, Name, Birth, Death/Feastday, Notes. It would mean a lot more work but I thought I would at least draw your attention to it. :)

Plus, it might be a good idea to follow the Wikipedia format and create a single article for each century, if there is enough content. :)

If we are to include every Orthodox saint, then this is a long long long term project. We would have to go through the entire Synaxaristes and Prologue. In fact, this is one of the agenda items for the upcoming Inter-Orthodox Synod this summer. There is another Greek Orthodox site which has the same purpose and is actively doing the same thing; they have a great start on things, have a look:

Angellight 888 23:43, May 27, 2009 (UTC)

P.S. - besides the two websites above, we can also check of course the OrthodoxWiki calendar right here, for all 365 days of the year. Whether the sources are 1) Synaxaristes, 2) Prologue, 3) OW Calendar, 4) Other sites -- the fact remains that there will be some Saints for which there are no known or near dates at all; at that point you may wish to make a decision on whether to include those in the article, since this article is date based.
A further idea I have is to enlist volunteers (as a workgroup of sorts) to help out with different centuries; they will all need to have access to the sources first though. I realize this scope I have proposed is major, but it would likely make for a well written, comprehensive and thus respected article people will refer to. Alternatively, our scope here could be limited to the more major saints. Either way the scope must be clear. Angellight 888 01:23, May 28, 2009 (UTC)

If you look at the history of this article, it was originally created to reflect a "table" style (similar to Wiki) but without knowing that Wiki had something similar. However, I suggest, that before we all get ahead of ourselves and run before we can walk that we prioritise our time in actually documenting the Saints in a systematic approach and in a simple approach (like the article currently reads). This approach will guarantee that all saints get documented - if we revert to fancy tables from the start, the work gets too much and exhasutive and people wont be bothered in contributing because of the complexity. Once this article is full and satisfactory, then User:Andrew can help us to set up some interesting tables since his expertise is in programming. So, can we all keep it simple for now and rush to the good ideas later? Vasiliki 02:14, May 28, 2009 (UTC)

I have this source. It is a greate site.
The ideea with the table is verry good. The wikipedia article looks greate. Maraamu 09:01, May 28, 2009 (UTC)
Hi, it IS! It is fantastic, I have added it to the "Further Reading" section. Thanks for helping out with this article ..there is a LOT of work to do before we even begin to think of making it look fancy! I notice your specialty is the Serbian Saints ..did you want to focus on adding them? Vasiliki 09:07, May 28, 2009 (UTC)
My specialty are the 20th cenrury saints, not only the serbs. I'm glad to help because i love verry much the saints that are contemporary with us. It is a lot of work on this subject. Maraamu 09:24, May 28, 2009 (UTC)
Great! Go for it: Template:Saints20 ... dont miss any! :) Vasiliki 09:32, May 28, 2009 (UTC)


It seems to me that dividing everything up by included templates creates a level of complexity that's not really needed. Just make a single master article and link to separate articles for each century, e.g., Twentieth Century saints, etc.

Generally speaking, the point of a template is that it includes data to be included in multiple articles, not as sub-parts to a single article. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 12:18, May 28, 2009 (UTC)

Greetings

Greetings fellow OW editors. Please do not think for a minute I have forgotten this task ... I lack a personal computer and am unable to do the edits at night. This situation will change soon and I can spend more time cleaning up and developing this project ... ~~ Vasiliki, 24th March 2012 EST.

NARCISSUS

On the face of it, it seems we have two different people about a century apart. Wsk 01:30, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Apostle Onesimus

Will require to identify what is the accepted date of his death. At present three separate sources have different dates, 68AD, 90AD and 109AD. Ixthis888, 3.00PM August 11 2011, EST.

Copyright

Please read the official Orthodoxwiki copyright position:OrthodoxWiki:Copyrights. Wsk 14:24, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. The problem I have is that this is not a import from Wikipedia. This article is being prepared through extensive personal research and time ... it would really be a shame if that time and effort is used for others to profit by printing books that will not support the efforts of OrthodoxWiki. Never mind though .. it is what it is. ~ User:Ixthis888
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