Talk:ROCOR and OCA

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Ascension Monastery

Isn't the Monastery of the Glorious Ascension (Resaca, GA) under the Jerusalem Patriarch? --Joe Rodgers 23:46, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Yes, currently, but in '97 it came under ROCOR from the OCA. I believe they came under Jerusalem just recently. —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 08:32, 16 Jun 2005 (EDT)
OK, I figured you knew that. Would it be appropriate to acknowledge that in some way? --Joe Rodgers 11:02, 16 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Perhaps if there were a separate article about that monastery, that would be the place to do it. The reason I'm hesitant to include such information in this article is that the ROCOR/OCA relationship is complicated enough as it is without branching off too much into other histories. —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 12:13, 16 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Article Size

As this is a large article, would it be better to split this article up (similar to what was done to Western Rite)? Perhaps into 'ROCOR and Metropolia' and 'ROCOR and OCA' sections? --— by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 03:02, April 25, 2006 (CDT)

It is somewhat long, though I don't think it is as yet too long. I'm also concerned that a split would end up disturbing the narrative coherence too much. With the WR article, it was more obviously possible, since the period was longer, including a number of smaller stories, and including whole sections of analysis. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 06:41, April 25, 2006 (CDT)

Conciliation

I could have sworn that I read somewhere on the internet recently that the leadership of ROCOR had signed a document officially placing itself under the jurisdiction of the Patriarch of Moscow again. I'm not sure how promptly this is being carried out, though, but if true it seems to merit a mention on the OCA/ROCOR page, as the two would hopefully unite everafter. Any one have any better info for a page update? Gabriela 21:46, 12 May, 2006 (CST)

From what I gathered[1], the 4th All-Diaspora Council has signed a document saying that it is basically pro-union; however, this isn't binding, and it's up to the council of bishops to decide. --— by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 22:06, May 12, 2006 (CDT)
Ok, so nothing conclusive yet, then. Thanks for the info. I figured it was too good to be true! Perhaps one day soon. Gabriela 8:29, 13 May, 2006 (CST)
I talked to a ROCOR priest yesterday and he said the clergy/laity had decided that the union was a go. He said that next week the synod of ROCOR bishops would make the final decision. Joe 2006-05-13

Because OCA is an autocephalous body, restoration of normal canonical relations does not necessarily follow from this resolution of the fouth all-diapora council being ratified by the synod of bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. The ROCOR will enter into Communion with Moscow much in the same way that the self-governing Ukrainian Orthodox Church is today. The ROCOR is also in Communion with the Patriarchate of Serbia, which is in Communion with all of universal Orthodoxy. Therefore it does not follow, ipso facto, that Communion with any other Church body will be restored vicariously through this unification. If such were the case, schims could result within the Church Abroad. -Reader of the Church Abroad, Diocese of San Francisco and Western America.


Locum Tenems

Calling the Moscow Patriarchs "Locum Tenems"- occupying the place of the "real" patriarch in his absence- seems strongly Point Of View. Rakovsky 04:35, August 17, 2006 (CDT)

To which spot are you referring? In most cases in the article, it was an indeniable statement of fact - Patr. Sergius was a locum tenens for quite a while before he was, after essentially doing the job for years, elevated to patriarch. The hierarch who bestowed the tomos was the locum tenens - the patriarch having died days/weeks (can't remember) before, and some of the Greek bishops, it seems, found out about the autocephaly through where Bp Theodosius was placed in the procession. As for the spot in the ROCOR letter, well, that is an advertised POV. — edited by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 05:43, August 17, 2006 (CDT)
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