Talk:Lazar (Puhalo) of Ottawa

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::I didn't push for documentation. Let's go with "innocent until proven guilty" here. Better to assume the best of people. About the Free Serbs, aren't they now the New Gracianica diocese and in full communion with the Patriarchate? If so, it would seem, at least, that a fuller discussion is needed and that the situation is more complex than straightforward schism, no? — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
 
::I didn't push for documentation. Let's go with "innocent until proven guilty" here. Better to assume the best of people. About the Free Serbs, aren't they now the New Gracianica diocese and in full communion with the Patriarchate? If so, it would seem, at least, that a fuller discussion is needed and that the situation is more complex than straightforward schism, no? — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])
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:::He was without a doubt deposed by ROCOR.  Did he deny that?  As for the free Serbs, yes they were reconciled to the Serbian Patriarchate... long after Lev Puhalo came and went -- but prior to that they were considered schismatic by every legitimate Orthodox jurisdiction. [[User:Frjohnwhiteford|Frjohnwhiteford]] 18:56, December 21, 2007 (PST)

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Help me fix the table! He is succeeded by Archbishop +Seraphim of Ottowa and Canada. I'm sleepy now so I didn't finish the update. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Authiodionitist (talkcontribs) .

It looks like he never actually served as the OCA Archbishop of Ottawa, but received that title in retirement as he changed jurisdictions. I'm a little confused, but tried to get the gist of things into the succession box. I'm not sure that he should have a succession box for that title, as he wasn't really part of the succession of bishops to carry it actively... —magda (talk) 17:07, September 11, 2007 (PDT)
I agree with Magda's assessment. He's never served as the OCA's bishop of Ottawa. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 07:41, September 12, 2007 (PDT)

I've made some changes to the text at the request of Archbp. Lazar's secretary. We need better documentation on this various jurisdictions. I'm afraid the repeated use of the word "schismatic" does not do justice to the complicated history of these groups due especially to Communism. Additionally, I've seen no evidence of deposition from any of these groups. It is unfair to make this disputed claim without adequate documentation here. — FrJohn (talk) 17:36, December 21, 2007 (PST)

The free serbs did not separate from the Serbian Patriarch until the 70's, and so communism was not the primary issue. They were also not recognized by anyone as being anything other than schismatic. I'll see what I can find about the depositions... but did Lazar's secretary have any evidence that he was released by the Free Serbs? That should be fairly easy for them to prove, if true. Frjohnwhiteford 18:32, December 21, 2007 (PST)
I didn't push for documentation. Let's go with "innocent until proven guilty" here. Better to assume the best of people. About the Free Serbs, aren't they now the New Gracianica diocese and in full communion with the Patriarchate? If so, it would seem, at least, that a fuller discussion is needed and that the situation is more complex than straightforward schism, no? — FrJohn (talk)
He was without a doubt deposed by ROCOR. Did he deny that? As for the free Serbs, yes they were reconciled to the Serbian Patriarchate... long after Lev Puhalo came and went -- but prior to that they were considered schismatic by every legitimate Orthodox jurisdiction. Frjohnwhiteford 18:56, December 21, 2007 (PST)
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