https://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Latin_Rite&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Latin Rite - Revision history2024-03-28T13:14:01ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.30.0https://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Latin_Rite&diff=39244&oldid=prevPistevo at 20:59, August 31, 20062006-08-31T20:59:48Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: That particular ease of confusion is the very reason that this article should exist under the "[[Latin Rite]]" title. The Orthodox [[Western Rite]] is ''not'' properly called the Latin Rite.  As such, Orthodox who are confused about this should have ready access to clarification. This article makes this distinction very clearly with the existing sentence, "The Latin Rite should not be confused with the Western Rite, which is a strand of Orthodox Christian worship based on the liturgical traditions of the ancient pre-Schism Orthodox Church of the West." The intersection of the Latin Rite with Orthodoxy is historically extremely important, in that incursions and impositions of Latin Rite traditions, canons, and theology by the Vatican and local RCC heirarchs upon Eastern churches were at the heart of the return of [[Eastern Rite Catholic]] churches to Holy Orthodoxy. The Orthodoxwiki articles on Metr. [[Orestes (Chornock) of Agathoniketa|Orestes Chornock]], St. [[Alexis Toth]], the [[OCA]], [[Filioque]], [[celibacy]], and the [[American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese]] make this quite apparent. [[User:Jerry picker|Jerry picker]] 09:09, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: That particular ease of confusion is the very reason that this article should exist under the "[[Latin Rite]]" title. The Orthodox [[Western Rite]] is ''not'' properly called the Latin Rite.  As such, Orthodox who are confused about this should have ready access to clarification. This article makes this distinction very clearly with the existing sentence, "The Latin Rite should not be confused with the Western Rite, which is a strand of Orthodox Christian worship based on the liturgical traditions of the ancient pre-Schism Orthodox Church of the West." The intersection of the Latin Rite with Orthodoxy is historically extremely important, in that incursions and impositions of Latin Rite traditions, canons, and theology by the Vatican and local RCC heirarchs upon Eastern churches were at the heart of the return of [[Eastern Rite Catholic]] churches to Holy Orthodoxy. The Orthodoxwiki articles on Metr. [[Orestes (Chornock) of Agathoniketa|Orestes Chornock]], St. [[Alexis Toth]], the [[OCA]], [[Filioque]], [[celibacy]], and the [[American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese]] make this quite apparent. [[User:Jerry picker|Jerry picker]] 09:09, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Pistevohttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Latin_Rite&diff=39235&oldid=prevJerry picker: /* Latin/Western Confusion */2006-08-31T14:29:00Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Latin/Western Confusion</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>ISTM very easy (as I did when I first looked at it) to assume that this is an article about the [[Western Rite]]'s Rite of St Gregory.  Perhaps it could be renamed?  Additionally, it needs to be expanded - specifically, in how the latin-rite RCC interacted with the Orthodox Church; without this, it's more suitable on Wikipedia, or alternatively, as a subsection of the [[Roman Catholic Church]] article. &mdash; edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 03:50, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>ISTM very easy (as I did when I first looked at it) to assume that this is an article about the [[Western Rite]]'s Rite of St Gregory.  Perhaps it could be renamed?  Additionally, it needs to be expanded - specifically, in how the latin-rite RCC interacted with the Orthodox Church; without this, it's more suitable on Wikipedia, or alternatively, as a subsection of the [[Roman Catholic Church]] article. &mdash; edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 03:50, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: That particular ease of confusion is the very reason that this article should exist under the "[[Latin Rite]]" title. The Orthodox [[Western Rite]] is ''not'' properly called the Latin Rite.  As such, Orthodox who are confused about this should have ready access to clarification. This article makes this distinction very clearly with the existing sentence, "The Latin Rite should not be confused with the Western Rite, which is a strand of Orthodox Christian worship based on the liturgical traditions of the ancient pre-Schism Orthodox Church of the West." The intersection of the Latin Rite with Orthodoxy is historically extremely important, in that incursions and impositions of Latin Rite traditions, canons, and theology by the Vatican and local RCC heirarchs upon Eastern churches were at the heart of the return of [[Eastern Rite Catholic]] churches to Holy Orthodoxy. The Orthodoxwiki articles on Metr. [[Orestes Chornock]], St. [[Alexis Toth]], the [[OCA]], [[Filioque]], [[celibacy]], and the [[American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese]] make this quite apparent. [[User:Jerry picker|Jerry picker]] 09:09, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: That particular ease of confusion is the very reason that this article should exist under the "[[Latin Rite]]" title. The Orthodox [[Western Rite]] is ''not'' properly called the Latin Rite.  As such, Orthodox who are confused about this should have ready access to clarification. This article makes this distinction very clearly with the existing sentence, "The Latin Rite should not be confused with the Western Rite, which is a strand of Orthodox Christian worship based on the liturgical traditions of the ancient pre-Schism Orthodox Church of the West." The intersection of the Latin Rite with Orthodoxy is historically extremely important, in that incursions and impositions of Latin Rite traditions, canons, and theology by the Vatican and local RCC heirarchs upon Eastern churches were at the heart of the return of [[Eastern Rite Catholic]] churches to Holy Orthodoxy. The Orthodoxwiki articles on Metr. [[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Orestes (Chornock) of Agathoniketa|</ins>Orestes Chornock]], St. [[Alexis Toth]], the [[OCA]], [[Filioque]], [[celibacy]], and the [[American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese]] make this quite apparent. [[User:Jerry picker|Jerry picker]] 09:09, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td></tr>
</table>Jerry pickerhttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Latin_Rite&diff=39234&oldid=prevJerry picker: /* Latin/Western Confusion */2006-08-31T14:11:05Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Latin/Western Confusion</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>ISTM very easy (as I did when I first looked at it) to assume that this is an article about the [[Western Rite]]'s Rite of St Gregory.  Perhaps it could be renamed?  Additionally, it needs to be expanded - specifically, in how the latin-rite RCC interacted with the Orthodox Church; without this, it's more suitable on Wikipedia, or alternatively, as a subsection of the [[Roman Catholic Church]] article. &mdash; edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 03:50, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>ISTM very easy (as I did when I first looked at it) to assume that this is an article about the [[Western Rite]]'s Rite of St Gregory.  Perhaps it could be renamed?  Additionally, it needs to be expanded - specifically, in how the latin-rite RCC interacted with the Orthodox Church; without this, it's more suitable on Wikipedia, or alternatively, as a subsection of the [[Roman Catholic Church]] article. &mdash; edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 03:50, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: That particular ease of confusion <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">that error </del>is the very reason that this article should exist under the "Latin Rite" title. The Orthodox [[Western Rite]] is ''not'' properly called the Latin Rite.  As such, Orthodox who are confused about this should have ready access to clarification. This article makes this distinction very clearly with the existing sentence, "The Latin Rite should not be confused with the Western Rite, which is a strand of Orthodox Christian worship based on the liturgical traditions of the ancient pre-Schism Orthodox Church of the West." The intersection of the Latin Rite with Orthodoxy is historically extremely important, in that incursions and impositions of Latin Rite traditions, canons, and theology by the Vatican and local RCC heirarchs upon Eastern churches were at the heart of the return of [[Eastern Rite Catholic]] churches to Holy Orthodoxy. The Orthodoxwiki articles on Metr. [[Orestes Chornock]], St. [[Alexis Toth]], the [[OCA]], [[Filioque]], [[celibacy]], and the [[American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese]] make this quite apparent. [[User:Jerry picker|Jerry picker]] 09:09, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: That particular ease of confusion is the very reason that this article should exist under the "<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[[</ins>Latin Rite<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">]]</ins>" title. The Orthodox [[Western Rite]] is ''not'' properly called the Latin Rite.  As such, Orthodox who are confused about this should have ready access to clarification. This article makes this distinction very clearly with the existing sentence, "The Latin Rite should not be confused with the Western Rite, which is a strand of Orthodox Christian worship based on the liturgical traditions of the ancient pre-Schism Orthodox Church of the West." The intersection of the Latin Rite with Orthodoxy is historically extremely important, in that incursions and impositions of Latin Rite traditions, canons, and theology by the Vatican and local RCC heirarchs upon Eastern churches were at the heart of the return of [[Eastern Rite Catholic]] churches to Holy Orthodoxy. The Orthodoxwiki articles on Metr. [[Orestes Chornock]], St. [[Alexis Toth]], the [[OCA]], [[Filioque]], [[celibacy]], and the [[American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese]] make this quite apparent. [[User:Jerry picker|Jerry picker]] 09:09, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td></tr>
</table>Jerry pickerhttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Latin_Rite&diff=39233&oldid=prevJerry picker: /* Latin/Western Confusion */2006-08-31T14:10:30Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Latin/Western Confusion</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>ISTM very easy (as I did when I first looked at it) to assume that this is an article about the [[Western Rite]]'s Rite of St Gregory.  Perhaps it could be renamed?  Additionally, it needs to be expanded - specifically, in how the latin-rite RCC interacted with the Orthodox Church; without this, it's more suitable on Wikipedia, or alternatively, as a subsection of the [[Roman Catholic Church]] article. &mdash; edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 03:50, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>ISTM very easy (as I did when I first looked at it) to assume that this is an article about the [[Western Rite]]'s Rite of St Gregory.  Perhaps it could be renamed?  Additionally, it needs to be expanded - specifically, in how the latin-rite RCC interacted with the Orthodox Church; without this, it's more suitable on Wikipedia, or alternatively, as a subsection of the [[Roman Catholic Church]] article. &mdash; edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 03:50, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: That particular ease of confusion that error is the very reason that this article should exist under the "Latin Rite" title. The Orthodox [[Western Rite]] is ''not'' properly called the Latin Rite.  As such, Orthodox who are confused about this should have ready access to clarification. This article makes this distinction very clearly with the existing sentence, "The Latin Rite should not be confused with the Western Rite, which is a strand of Orthodox Christian worship based on the liturgical traditions of the ancient pre-Schism Orthodox Church of the West." The intersection of the (OCC) Latin Rite with Orthodoxy is historically extremely important, in that incursions and impositions of Latin Rite traditions, canons, and theology by the Vatican and local RCC heirarchs upon Eastern churches were at the heart of the return of [[Eastern Rite Catholic]] churches to Holy Orthodoxy. The Orthodoxwiki articles on Metr. [[Orestes Chornock]], St. [[Alexis Toth]], the [[OCA]], [[Filioque]], [[celibacy]], and the [[American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese]] make this quite apparent. [[User:Jerry picker|Jerry picker]] 09:09, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Jerry pickerhttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Latin_Rite&diff=39228&oldid=prevPistevo at 08:50, August 31, 20062006-08-31T08:50:12Z<p></p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>==Latin/Western Confusion==<br />
ISTM very easy (as I did when I first looked at it) to assume that this is an article about the [[Western Rite]]'s Rite of St Gregory. Perhaps it could be renamed? Additionally, it needs to be expanded - specifically, in how the latin-rite RCC interacted with the Orthodox Church; without this, it's more suitable on Wikipedia, or alternatively, as a subsection of the [[Roman Catholic Church]] article. &mdash; edited by [[User:Pistevo|<font color="green">Pιs</font><font color="gold">τévο</font>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Pistevo|<font color="blue">talk</font>]]'' ''[[User talk:Pistevo/dev/null|<font color="red">complaints</font>]]''</sup> at 03:50, August 31, 2006 (CDT)</div>Pistevo