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==Canonisation of Irene of Athens==
 
==Canonisation of Irene of Athens==
 
This is interesting I hope that this is not true though. It would be nice to know that she IS a saint of our church. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 21:47, November 20, 2008 (UTC)
 
This is interesting I hope that this is not true though. It would be nice to know that she IS a saint of our church. [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 21:47, November 20, 2008 (UTC)
 
 
: I can't find her in any of the standard saints' lives sources.  There is, of course, another Empress named Irene who ''is'' a saint in the Church, celebrated on August 13, the wife of the Emperor John Comnenus II (r. 1118-43).  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 22:08, November 20, 2008 (UTC)
 
: I can't find her in any of the standard saints' lives sources.  There is, of course, another Empress named Irene who ''is'' a saint in the Church, celebrated on August 13, the wife of the Emperor John Comnenus II (r. 1118-43).  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]] <font face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">('''[[User:ASDamick/Wiki-philosophy|THINK!]]''')</font></small> 22:08, November 20, 2008 (UTC)
 
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::[[Manuel Gedeon]], the author of Byzantinon Heortologion (Constantinople, 1899) calls Irene "arrogant" and says that if her name is found in some synaxarion, this is due to St. Theodore the Studite. Constantine Manassis calls her "Medea" because she blinded her son. No Orthodox writer ever praised her - except St. Theodore the Studite - and there is no info that she was canonized, except in the writings of the Bollandistes. --[[User:Agapornis|Agapornis]] 23:45, November 20, 2008 (UTC)
*Manuel Gedeon, the author of Byzantinon Heortologion (Constantinople, 1899) calls Irene "arrogant" and says that if her name is found in some synaxarion, this is due to St. Theodore the Studite. Constantine Manassis calls her "Medea" because she blinded her son. No Orthodox writer ever praised her - except St. Theodore the Studite - and there is no info that she was canonized, except in the writings of the Bollandistes. --[[User:Agapornis|Agapornis]] 23:45, November 20, 2008 (UTC)
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:::I dont mean to be rude but who is [[Manuel Gedeon]]? Is he an authorised representative of the Orthodox church in 1899?? Maybe I may not be phrasing this question right ... what makes him an authority on the topic? Not being pompous ... just want to learn more about this ...
:I dont mean to be rude but who is Manuel Gedeon? Is he an authorised representative of the Orthodox church in 1899?? Maybe I may not be phrasing this question right ... what makes him an authority on the topic? Not being pompous ... just want to learn more about this ... [[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:23, November 21, 2008 (UTC)
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:::If [[Manuel Gedeon]] is historically important since he has contributed significant work towards Orthodoxy, maybe you could start up an Orthodox Wiki article about him so we can learn more .. I know that I would be interested.[[User:Ixthis888|Vasiliki]] 00:23, November 21, 2008 (UTC)

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Canonisation of Irene of Athens

This is interesting I hope that this is not true though. It would be nice to know that she IS a saint of our church. Vasiliki 21:47, November 20, 2008 (UTC)

I can't find her in any of the standard saints' lives sources. There is, of course, another Empress named Irene who is a saint in the Church, celebrated on August 13, the wife of the Emperor John Comnenus II (r. 1118-43). —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 22:08, November 20, 2008 (UTC)
Manuel Gedeon, the author of Byzantinon Heortologion (Constantinople, 1899) calls Irene "arrogant" and says that if her name is found in some synaxarion, this is due to St. Theodore the Studite. Constantine Manassis calls her "Medea" because she blinded her son. No Orthodox writer ever praised her - except St. Theodore the Studite - and there is no info that she was canonized, except in the writings of the Bollandistes. --Agapornis 23:45, November 20, 2008 (UTC)
I dont mean to be rude but who is Manuel Gedeon? Is he an authorised representative of the Orthodox church in 1899?? Maybe I may not be phrasing this question right ... what makes him an authority on the topic? Not being pompous ... just want to learn more about this ...
If Manuel Gedeon is historically important since he has contributed significant work towards Orthodoxy, maybe you could start up an Orthodox Wiki article about him so we can learn more .. I know that I would be interested.Vasiliki 00:23, November 21, 2008 (UTC)
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