Talk:Holy Trinity St. Seraphim-Diveyevo Convent

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: It would be fair use if the subject of the article were the photo itself (i.e., the article is about the photo, rather than about its subject).  This doesn't apply here, though.  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 11:14, January 20, 2007 (PST)
 
: It would be fair use if the subject of the article were the photo itself (i.e., the article is about the photo, rather than about its subject).  This doesn't apply here, though.  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font size="3.5" color="green" face="Adobe Garamond Pro, Garamond, Georgia, Times New Roman">Fr. Andrew</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <small>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</small> 11:14, January 20, 2007 (PST)
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:If someone wanted to solicit permission for use under our license policy, that would be great. Otherwise, we shouldn't have the postcards on here. Facts are fine to lift, but any text taken from the postcards must either be fundamentally rewritten or deleted. Thanks to everyone for their work! — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

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Um, I'm not quite sure it's legal for us to use this text here without permission, much less edit it as I've started to do. Aren't copyright laws fun? Seriously, though, any thoughts on what should be done here? Gabriela 20:57, January 16, 2007 (PST)

Well, I think being a postcard set, the information is in the public domain? The only way would be to look in a copyright law book (for a section on posrtcards, or quoting a paragraph?), or, to phone the Monastery and ask if its okay to use the info. Would have to locate their number. And yes the information is all original; regarding the objectivity, not sure if its a matter of objectivity as that seems to be the message the Theotokos was giving to the nun Alexandra? And if its direct quote, and substantiated/given credit as it is, not sure if its a problem. Good points though.User:Angellight_888

Not sure about USA copyright law, but under Australian copyright law, the facts are fair game to be stolen at will (that's not copyright, that's history), but anything creative is no-touchy. Under those laws, the more we edit, the better - and I couldn't imagine that it'd be very different under American copyright law. IANAL, of course. — edited by Pιsτévο talk complaints at 02:59, January 17, 2007 (PST)
n.b. the photos could pose a bigger problem. — edited by Pιsτévο talk complaints.
Postcards are not public domain under US copyright law (which applies to OrthodoxWiki, since it's where the server is hosted). (If such things were in the public domain, then it would be almost impossible to make money from them, which is what postcard publisher mean to do.) —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 11:43, January 17, 2007 (PST)
Apologies for the dilemma Father; really wanted to share this important information and considering the source I considered it would be fine. There seems to be some sort of publisher information on one line in the fine print, but it is all in Russian, and there does not seem to be an address or telephone number for them (seems like it is just a name). If I could find someone to translate it for me I might be able to track them down; otherwise I suppose it all would have to be deleted from here (except the main entry)?. Also, not sure is fair use applies to the photos - (i.e. using 3 photos out of the set of 22), or conversely none at all? User:Angellight_888
It would be fair use if the subject of the article were the photo itself (i.e., the article is about the photo, rather than about its subject). This doesn't apply here, though. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs 11:14, January 20, 2007 (PST)
If someone wanted to solicit permission for use under our license policy, that would be great. Otherwise, we shouldn't have the postcards on here. Facts are fine to lift, but any text taken from the postcards must either be fundamentally rewritten or deleted. Thanks to everyone for their work! — FrJohn (talk)
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