https://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Gregory_the_Dialogist&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Gregory the Dialogist - Revision history2024-03-28T13:24:36ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.30.0https://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Gregory_the_Dialogist&diff=74676&oldid=prevJosephSuaiden: /* "Mass of St Gregory" */2008-08-24T02:14:33Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">"Mass of St Gregory"</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I have never heard anyone use the term "the Mass of St Gregory" as a reference to the Roman liturgy, including at our gatherings of medieval liturgical specialists. In doing a quick Google search, the first three pages of results for "Mass of St Gregory" referred to paintings or musical compositions. I have heard some Orthodox refer, somewhat misleadingly, to the "Gregorian liturgy" or the "Gregorian canon." --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 02:01, August 24, 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I have never heard anyone use the term "the Mass of St Gregory" as a reference to the Roman liturgy, including at our gatherings of medieval liturgical specialists. In doing a quick Google search, the first three pages of results for "Mass of St Gregory" referred to paintings or musical compositions. I have heard some Orthodox refer, somewhat misleadingly, to the "Gregorian liturgy" or the "Gregorian canon." --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 02:01, August 24, 2008 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>JosephSuaidenhttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Gregory_the_Dialogist&diff=74675&oldid=prevJosephSuaiden: /* "Mass of St Gregory" */2008-08-24T02:13:01Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">"Mass of St Gregory"</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I have never heard anyone use the term "the Mass of St Gregory" as a reference to the Roman liturgy, including at our gatherings of medieval liturgical specialists. In doing a quick Google search, the first three pages of results for "Mass of St Gregory" referred to paintings or musical compositions. I have heard some Orthodox refer, somewhat misleadingly, to the "Gregorian liturgy" or the "Gregorian canon." --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 02:01, August 24, 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I have never heard anyone use the term "the Mass of St Gregory" as a reference to the Roman liturgy, including at our gatherings of medieval liturgical specialists. In doing a quick Google search, the first three pages of results for "Mass of St Gregory" referred to paintings or musical compositions. I have heard some Orthodox refer, somewhat misleadingly, to the "Gregorian liturgy" or the "Gregorian canon." --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 02:01, August 24, 2008 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>JosephSuaidenhttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Gregory_the_Dialogist&diff=74674&oldid=prevFr Lev at 02:02, August 24, 20082008-08-24T02:02:20Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You have not provided any evidence that St Gregory was not involved in the formation of the presanctified. He is the first known person to record the existence of the service, and was the apocrisarius of Pope Pelagius II in the court of Byzantium for six years. He was heavily involved in liturgical work and translations at that time and after, and there is no reason to assume, as you have, that he "was not involved in its development". --[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 01:38, August 24, 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You have not provided any evidence that St Gregory was not involved in the formation of the presanctified. He is the first known person to record the existence of the service, and was the apocrisarius of Pope Pelagius II in the court of Byzantium for six years. He was heavily involved in liturgical work and translations at that time and after, and there is no reason to assume, as you have, that he "was not involved in its development". --[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 01:38, August 24, 2008 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I have never heard anyone use the term "the Mass of St Gregory" as a reference to the Roman liturgy, including at our gatherings of medieval liturgical specialists. In doing a quick Google search, the first three pages of results for "Mass of St Gregory" referred to paintings or musical compositions. I have heard some Orthodox refer, somewhat misleadingly, to the "Gregorian liturgy" or the "Gregorian canon." --[[User:Fr Lev|Fr Lev]] 02:01, August 24, 2008 (UTC)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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</table>Fr Levhttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Gregory_the_Dialogist&diff=74673&oldid=prevFr Lev: /* "Mass of St Gregory" */ new section2008-08-24T02:01:48Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">"Mass of St Gregory": </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>Fr Levhttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Gregory_the_Dialogist&diff=74665&oldid=prevJosephSuaiden: /* Including the "Liturgy of St Gregory the Great" on this link */2008-08-24T01:40:38Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Including the "Liturgy of St Gregory the Great" on this link</span></span></p>
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</table>JosephSuaidenhttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Gregory_the_Dialogist&diff=74664&oldid=prevJosephSuaiden: /* Formatting of Quotations */2008-08-24T01:40:05Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Formatting of Quotations</span></span></p>
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</table>JosephSuaidenhttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Gregory_the_Dialogist&diff=74663&oldid=prevJosephSuaiden: /* Whether St Gregory should be ascribed authorship to the Presanctified Liturgy */2008-08-24T01:38:41Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Whether St Gregory should be ascribed authorship to the Presanctified Liturgy</span></span></p>
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</table>JosephSuaidenhttps://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Gregory_the_Dialogist&diff=74662&oldid=prevJosephSuaiden: /* Including the "Liturgy of St Gregory the Great" on this link */2008-08-24T01:33:01Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Including the "Liturgy of St Gregory the Great" on this link</span></span></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Is there a way to format the quotations so it is clear they are distinct? I know in academic usage, if a quotation ends in quotation marks that indicates the passage has come to an end and the next quotation is from a different work...but not everyone knows this shorthand. Bullet points, maybe? --[[User:Willibrord|Willibrord]] 20:42, August 23, 2008 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Including the "Liturgy of St Gregory the Great" on this link==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Including the "Liturgy of St Gregory the Great" on this link==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What is off topic is claiming St Gregory's authorship to a 20th century usage.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 19:48, August 23, 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What is off topic is claiming St Gregory's authorship to a 20th century usage.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 19:48, August 23, 2008 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:...<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Whicn </del>my edits to this entry didn't do. I simply said there's an Orthodox liturgy that bears his name, because he made a contribution to it. Then I linked the liturgy (where the entry I link states "1570," "Tridentine," etc.) Discussion of liturgical minutiae are off-topic to this entry. --[[User:Willibrord|Willibrord]] 19:58, August 23, 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:...<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Which </ins>my edits to this entry didn't do. I simply said there's an Orthodox liturgy that bears his name, because he made a contribution to it. Then I linked the liturgy (where the entry I link states "1570," "Tridentine," etc.) Discussion of liturgical minutiae are off-topic to this entry. --[[User:Willibrord|Willibrord]] 19:58, August 23, 2008 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Nice try. But you added the link. The reality is that St Gregory did not author this liturgy and so the link did not belong there. You are correct-- this discussion does not belong to a hagiography.  So you should stop introducing mythology into it. It has no place in an encyclopedia.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 20:03, August 23, 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Nice try. But you added the link. The reality is that St Gregory did not author this liturgy and so the link did not belong there. You are correct-- this discussion does not belong to a hagiography.  So you should stop introducing mythology into it. It has no place in an encyclopedia.--[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 20:03, August 23, 2008 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:The facts are clear:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:-I said there is a liturgy in Orthodoxy named in St. Gregory's honor;</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:-I listed the exact contribution he made to that liturgy;</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:-I added an internal link to the liturgy in question, which is good form on OrthodoxWiki.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:I didn't say he ''authored'' the entire thing, that the liturgy has not been edited in any way since his day, etc. (Those are strawman arguments.) This entry is not a discussion of the liturgy at all; it's a discussion of his life. '''And these are facts.''' I think any admin will agree, now that you've undoubtedly gotten their attention. So, I'll set this entry right one last time and leave it to them to ajudicate, if they feel it necessary. (Deep sigh.) --[[User:Willibrord|Willibrord]] 20:42, August 23, 2008 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Whether St Gregory should be ascribed authorship to the Presanctified Liturgy==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Whether St Gregory should be ascribed authorship to the Presanctified Liturgy==</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I believe you are calling black white and vice versa-- St Gregory did not author the liturgy you claim he did; and without proof he didn't write the Presanctified (though the Church has always taught he did) you claim he was not the author. --[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 20:04, August 23, 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I believe you are calling black white and vice versa-- St Gregory did not author the liturgy you claim he did; and without proof he didn't write the Presanctified (though the Church has always taught he did) you claim he was not the author. --[[User:JosephSuaiden|JosephSuaiden]] 20:04, August 23, 2008 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:I ''do not claim he is the "author"'' of the entire liturgy; for one thing, parts of it long predate him. I made a specific (and undeniable) statement about his contribution to the Roman Mass; and a specific (and undeniable) statement that it is named in his honor. The liturgy is not at question here, nor is anything I wrote controversial.--[[User:Willibrord|Willibrord]] 20:42, August 23, 2008 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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