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==Romanian==
 
==Romanian==
Is there a Romanian equivalent to Diakonissa? -- [[User:Pistevo|oea]] 14:53, 1 November 2005 (CST)
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Is there a Romanian equivalent to Diakonissa? -- [[User:Pistevo|Pistevo]] 14:53, 1 November 2005 (CST)
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: Perhaps our [[User:Vandrona|resident Romanian expert]] may be able to help? {{User:ASDamick/sig}} 15:23, 1 November 2005 (CST)
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:: I haven't been very 'resident' lately.  I will try to put things in, though.  I hope the Romanian characters show
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==Deaconess==
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Lo, it seemeth to me that there should be a separate article on the office of [[deaconess]].  {{User:ASDamick/sig}} 12:51, December 4, 2005 (CST)
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:Verily, it should be so, but yet it is not.  Until the 'redirect' become a full article, the 'see also' is circular, aye, and therefore risible. {{User:Magda/sig}} 13:20, December 4, 2005 (CST)
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==Clerical==
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#This is an article about the wife of a deacon. If you are looking for a female in '''clerical''' orders, see Deaconess.
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#Diakonissa was also the term used in the ancient Church for the order of deaconess, a '''non-clerical''' order which saw to the care of women in the community.
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So... are we saying that a deaconess was "clergy" or not?  How do we say what we're talking about if this in itself is undecided or under debate? —[[User:Magda|<b>magda</b>]] ([[User_talk:Magda|talk]]) 15:17, May 31, 2006 (CDT)
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: Well, FWIW, the order of deaconesses (i.e. not wives of deacons) was in fact ''ordained at the altar''.  It's somewhat anachronistic to argue about whether the category "clergy" might apply or not (esp. if ''clergy'' is merely a word which means "church server who is male").  Perhaps the term which might avoid this is ''order'' (as in "order of deaconess").  Of course, then by extension, one also has to use ''ordained''.  :)  &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 16:54, May 31, 2006 (CDT)

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Romanian

Is there a Romanian equivalent to Diakonissa? -- Pistevo 14:53, 1 November 2005 (CST)

Perhaps our resident Romanian expert may be able to help? —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 15:23, 1 November 2005 (CST)
I haven't been very 'resident' lately. I will try to put things in, though. I hope the Romanian characters show

Deaconess

Lo, it seemeth to me that there should be a separate article on the office of deaconess. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 12:51, December 4, 2005 (CST)

Verily, it should be so, but yet it is not. Until the 'redirect' become a full article, the 'see also' is circular, aye, and therefore risible. —magda (talk) 13:20, December 4, 2005 (CST)

Clerical

  1. This is an article about the wife of a deacon. If you are looking for a female in clerical orders, see Deaconess.
  2. Diakonissa was also the term used in the ancient Church for the order of deaconess, a non-clerical order which saw to the care of women in the community.

So... are we saying that a deaconess was "clergy" or not? How do we say what we're talking about if this in itself is undecided or under debate? —magda (talk) 15:17, May 31, 2006 (CDT)

Well, FWIW, the order of deaconesses (i.e. not wives of deacons) was in fact ordained at the altar. It's somewhat anachronistic to argue about whether the category "clergy" might apply or not (esp. if clergy is merely a word which means "church server who is male"). Perhaps the term which might avoid this is order (as in "order of deaconess"). Of course, then by extension, one also has to use ordained.  :) —Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 16:54, May 31, 2006 (CDT)
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