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:As it stands at this point, it is neither Old or New Calendar.  The dates for the fixed feasts are the same, though of course the civil calendar dates will vary.  [[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]]
 
:As it stands at this point, it is neither Old or New Calendar.  The dates for the fixed feasts are the same, though of course the civil calendar dates will vary.  [[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]]
  
== Collectint information ==
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== Collecting information ==
  
 
It would probably be good to set some guidelines about how to list the Saints and which titles to use, etc. I have many questions, but these are the ones I have now.
 
It would probably be good to set some guidelines about how to list the Saints and which titles to use, etc. I have many questions, but these are the ones I have now.
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*Should all the saints listed for a given day be given from all the Orthodox collections (e.g. OCA, GOARCH, AOCA)?
 
*Should all the saints listed for a given day be given from all the Orthodox collections (e.g. OCA, GOARCH, AOCA)?
 
*Should the OCA's way of listing take precedence?
 
*Should the OCA's way of listing take precedence?
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: My response to your first question would be yes.  As for your second, I'm not sure what you mean, but I don't see why we should give precedence to any one jurisdiction over another.  &mdash;&mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 08:06, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)
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::First question was in regards to the "Mainstream Chalcedonian Bias." Second question was in regards to subtle nuances. I think some kind of standard should be established. Is it going to Greatmartyr or Great-martyr, Myrrh-streaming or Myrrh-gusher? See what I mean? --[[User:Joe Rodgers|Joe Rodgers]] 23:53, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)
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== Images ==
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Regarding templates, is it possible and/or desirable to have the image of the icon next to the name of the saint?  Rather than having a horizontal list of saints, perhaps a vertical one, similar to the vertical column of the images.  (cf. [[February 11]])  Maybe some sort of table?  My main concern is that the names of the saints which are written in the icons are illegible--perhaps a caption function would serve? [[User:Magda|magda]] 11:54, 3 Feb 2005 (CST)
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: In most browsers, there already is a caption for the image&mdash;if the mouse pointer is held over the image, the caption appears.
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: The difficulty with making the list of saints vertical or with aligning the icon with such a vertical list is that such formatting is hard to do within a template, which needs to have much simpler formatting so that it fits into the formatting of the Main Page. --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 12:13, 3 Feb 2005 (CST)
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== Church calendar, commemoration questions ==
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In trying to find the "saints of the day," I have found that much of the time, they are listed by different sources (see my [[User:Magda#Saints_and_Feasts|user page]] for the sources I am using) to be commemorated on different dates. 
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*Is there a definitive source (or even one for each jurisdiction) to be consulted for these?  Are there sources which should be used and sources which should ''not'' be used?
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Much of the time, the day is off by one: Joseph the Hymnographer on [[April 3]] and [[April 4]].  A [http://pomog.org/index.html?saintlist.shtml ROCOR parish] source and an [http://www.oca.org/FSlives.asp?SID=4&M=4&D=4 OCA] source list his commemoration on April 4, while a [http://goarch.org/en/chapel/todaywecelebrate.asp?M=4&D=3&Y=2005 Greek Archdiocese] source, an [http://www.antiochian.org/1102796487 Antiochian] source, a [http://saintgeorge.org/news_and_events/church_calendar/saint_of_the_day/04apr/apr_03_st_joseph_the_hymnographer.php Antiochian parish] source, and a [http://www.ortodoxakyrkan.se/Typikon%202005.pdf Swedish (Old Calendar)] source list his commemoration on April 3.
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*What orthodoxwiki standard should we apply to this sort of situation? --[[User:Magda|magda]] 12:14, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)
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: What I've been doing has been to list the commemoration on every date included, but where there is disparity to put the specific tradition in parentheses next to it, e.g., "(Greek commemoration)" or "(OCA commemoration)."  My approach has been to represent a sort of "combined menaion."  --[[User:ASDamick|Rdr. Andrew]] 19:50, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)
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::For the record, I think that is exactly the kind of approach we need here. If someone wants to follow, e.g., the OCA calendar, they can go to OCA.org (or ''mutatis mutandis'' goarch.org or antiochian.org), but a fuller overview of the various traditions -- a combined menaion like you're speaking of, is truly difficult to find. In my mind, the genuis of OrthodoxWiki is that we can do this for liturgical issues, debated topics, etc., in a ''comprehensive'' and ''descriptive'' way. [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]] 17:13, 25 Jun 2005 (EDT)
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== Calendar / Music ==
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Gosh, if it would be possible to have the dynamically created/linked calendar pages also include links to PDFs of the music needed for that day, you've got a huge help to choir directors everywhere.
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I know I've got quite a list of PDFs out there, and was considering writing a web crawler to find more... this wiki would be a perfect place to put those results.  I just have no idea what sort of structure they would need to be put in.  All on one page?  Each on their own feast's pages?  etc...
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: Tentatively, I think that putting the links on the relevant date articles would be good, as would linking from the articles of the saints and feasts themselves.  &mdash;&mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 16:23, 25 Jun 2005 (EDT)
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::This sounds rather like the [http://www.bright.net/~palamas/CyberPsaltiri/ Cyber Psaltiri] associated with Fr. Seraphim Dedes's monastery (St. Gregory Palamas Greek Orthodox Monastery in Haysville, OH).  Fr. Seraphim also has a [http://sgpm.goarch.org/ematins/matins.htm matins page] which can be used for current materials (PDF) in Greek and English (his new translations in English). —[[User:Magda|magda]] 16:44, 6 Jul 2005 (EDT)
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== Big party ==
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I think we should have a big wiki-party when this is finished. [[User:FrJohn|Fr. John]]
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:I know I haven't participated with the Church Calendar section, but an OrthodoxWiki party sounds lie fun.  [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] 01:34, 9 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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Old or New

You should probably make some reference as to whether this is the Old or New calendar 208.57.98.20 11:00, 23 Dec 2004 (CST)

As it stands at this point, it is neither Old or New Calendar. The dates for the fixed feasts are the same, though of course the civil calendar dates will vary. Rdr. Andrew

Collecting information

It would probably be good to set some guidelines about how to list the Saints and which titles to use, etc. I have many questions, but these are the ones I have now.

  • Should all the saints listed for a given day be given from all the Orthodox collections (e.g. OCA, GOARCH, AOCA)?
  • Should the OCA's way of listing take precedence?
My response to your first question would be yes. As for your second, I'm not sure what you mean, but I don't see why we should give precedence to any one jurisdiction over another. ——Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 08:06, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)
First question was in regards to the "Mainstream Chalcedonian Bias." Second question was in regards to subtle nuances. I think some kind of standard should be established. Is it going to Greatmartyr or Great-martyr, Myrrh-streaming or Myrrh-gusher? See what I mean? --Joe Rodgers 23:53, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Images

Regarding templates, is it possible and/or desirable to have the image of the icon next to the name of the saint? Rather than having a horizontal list of saints, perhaps a vertical one, similar to the vertical column of the images. (cf. February 11) Maybe some sort of table? My main concern is that the names of the saints which are written in the icons are illegible--perhaps a caption function would serve? magda 11:54, 3 Feb 2005 (CST)

In most browsers, there already is a caption for the image—if the mouse pointer is held over the image, the caption appears.
The difficulty with making the list of saints vertical or with aligning the icon with such a vertical list is that such formatting is hard to do within a template, which needs to have much simpler formatting so that it fits into the formatting of the Main Page. --Rdr. Andrew 12:13, 3 Feb 2005 (CST)

Church calendar, commemoration questions

In trying to find the "saints of the day," I have found that much of the time, they are listed by different sources (see my user page for the sources I am using) to be commemorated on different dates.

  • Is there a definitive source (or even one for each jurisdiction) to be consulted for these? Are there sources which should be used and sources which should not be used?

Much of the time, the day is off by one: Joseph the Hymnographer on April 3 and April 4. A ROCOR parish source and an OCA source list his commemoration on April 4, while a Greek Archdiocese source, an Antiochian source, a Antiochian parish source, and a Swedish (Old Calendar) source list his commemoration on April 3.

  • What orthodoxwiki standard should we apply to this sort of situation? --magda 12:14, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)
What I've been doing has been to list the commemoration on every date included, but where there is disparity to put the specific tradition in parentheses next to it, e.g., "(Greek commemoration)" or "(OCA commemoration)." My approach has been to represent a sort of "combined menaion." --Rdr. Andrew 19:50, 6 Apr 2005 (EDT)
For the record, I think that is exactly the kind of approach we need here. If someone wants to follow, e.g., the OCA calendar, they can go to OCA.org (or mutatis mutandis goarch.org or antiochian.org), but a fuller overview of the various traditions -- a combined menaion like you're speaking of, is truly difficult to find. In my mind, the genuis of OrthodoxWiki is that we can do this for liturgical issues, debated topics, etc., in a comprehensive and descriptive way. Fr. John 17:13, 25 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Calendar / Music

Gosh, if it would be possible to have the dynamically created/linked calendar pages also include links to PDFs of the music needed for that day, you've got a huge help to choir directors everywhere.

I know I've got quite a list of PDFs out there, and was considering writing a web crawler to find more... this wiki would be a perfect place to put those results. I just have no idea what sort of structure they would need to be put in. All on one page? Each on their own feast's pages? etc...

Tentatively, I think that putting the links on the relevant date articles would be good, as would linking from the articles of the saints and feasts themselves. ——Dcn. Andrew talk random contribs 16:23, 25 Jun 2005 (EDT)
This sounds rather like the Cyber Psaltiri associated with Fr. Seraphim Dedes's monastery (St. Gregory Palamas Greek Orthodox Monastery in Haysville, OH). Fr. Seraphim also has a matins page which can be used for current materials (PDF) in Greek and English (his new translations in English). —magda 16:44, 6 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Big party

I think we should have a big wiki-party when this is finished. Fr. John

I know I haven't participated with the Church Calendar section, but an OrthodoxWiki party sounds lie fun. Katjuscha 01:34, 9 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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